Be Organic Podcast – Season 2, Episode 25. Dr. Nick Goin: Your Innate Healing Potential
We believe chiropractic care should be an essential part of everyone’s daily life – but why? Should you only see a chiropractor if you have aches and pains? What about pregnant women, infants/pediatrics, or people with neurodevelopmental disorders? Join us as we dive into specifics about the benefits of chiropractic care and how it can change your life.
Joining us to talk about all things chiropractic care is Dr. Nick Goin. Dr. Nick suffered from chronic allergies, eczema, and back pain in which medication and prescription drugs failed to get him well. After years of no medical cure, it was then from principled chiropractic care that healing came. This radical healing experience transformed his life and led him to pursue chiropractic care as a way of life and as a career.
TIME STAMPS:
5:00 How Dr. Nick Goin Found His Path (jump to section)
8:03 Four Pillars of Health (jump to section)
11:47 Starting Points for a Patient “Falling Apart” (jump to section)
15:37 Chiropractic Care and Pregnancy (jump to section)
19:33 Early Adjustments for Infants (jump to section)
23:02 Neurodevelopmental Disorders (jump to section)
29:13 Adult Care (jump to section)
36:07 Where to Find Dr. Nick (jump to section)
37:07 Tip for Organic Living (jump to section)
Transcription Below
Kat Eckles: What’s up, the organic listeners? Thank you so much for joining us for another episode of our podcast. As always, Landon and I are so grateful for all of you that decide to tune in. And just more importantly, we’re excited for you as you’re on this health journey and you’re just choosing to spend the next 30 to 45 minutes with us learning a little bit more about health, learning a little bit more about what you can do to make your life better, and ultimately make others life better because you’re living as your best self.
I know that you’re going to learn a ton from our guest today. I’m so excited to chat with him and just get to know more about what he does. I’m excited to introduce Dr. Goin. He is up from Ohio. He pursued his undergraduate degree in business management from the University of Michigan. Dr. Nick suffered from chronic allergies, eczema, and back pain in which medication and prescription drugs failed to get him well. After years of no medical cure, it was then from principle Chiropractic Care that healing came.
This radical healing experience transformed his life and led him to pursue chiropractic care as a way of life and as a career, Dr. Nick went to Davenport, Iowa where he knew he could excel in his study of chiropractic care and natural healing. Learning all that he could, he graduated with Magna Cum Laude honors from Palmer College of Chiropractic. He also had the honor and privilege of interning and working for one of the country’s top pediatric and family chiropractors, Dr. Tony Ebel.
Dr. Nick now specializes in pediatrics, pregnancy, and family care. He also has a special focus on autism sensory processing disorders, ADHD, and other neurodevelopmental disorders.
Dr. Nick, thank you so much for joining us. We are so excited to have you today.
Dr. Nick: I am excited too. As we were just talking before the show started, when the Clean Juice opened up here in Perrysburg, the owner of that location Ross told us to check out the podcast. As we were driving home, I told my wife, “How cool would it be to have the honor and privilege to be on their podcast.” And here we are today getting to talk and hang out. I’m super grateful and excited to be here.
Kat: My producer and I just exchanged looks like that was so great. And it’s an honor for us. You know, I think that’s kind of the heart of why Landon and I started this podcast. We felt like because of our industry and what we do, we get to have so many great conversations and get so much knowledge from people like you and guests that come in and just people that are far wiser than we are about health. We were getting all this information and it was like we are almost culpable if we don’t share it with other people.
The Lord has blessed us with so many people’s lives interact and intercede in this wellness world. There is just so much to know and learn. We needed to put all this information we were getting into one place and let our guests and listeners kind of get to know it. I’m so glad that when you listened to us that is what you thought because that was just kind of the mission of this podcast. That makes me really happy to hear that is kind of where your head was at.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, for sure.
Kat: You know what’s interesting too? We have five kids. Two of our kids have, well maybe not full on sensory processing disorders, but a few things. And one of them had an injury early on in life that he suffered from and he was delayed. And I can say without a doubt that the two of them, chiropractic care was probably the biggest thing that helped to heal them and helped them to move forward. So, I have a very personal success story with using chiropractic care and what a difference I saw with kids. I can attest to what you guys do and how important it is.
I guess I would just like to hear a little bit about healing from within and what that means to you and how you use that in your chiropractic care and what kind of got you started here?
How Dr. Nick Goin Found His Path
Dr. Nick: Yeah, no, absolutely. I would say the healing from within for our family’s philosophy and belief system for really how we believe that God has really designed the body because we know when you give the body the right things, it is meant to thrive and have vibrant, abundant life. That is really kind of our belief system at which we live our life.
How we integrate that into our practice is, a big part of our practice is not just applying chiropractic care and giving adjustments. It is really educational too because I feel like when you have the right belief system, the outcomes for your health are going to be way better. I always tell people that our thoughts on a daily basis, the more that we think them, certain thoughts, really kind of drive our belief system.
This system that we have really drives the decisions that we take and those decisions then determine our outcomes. So, the healthier the belief system, as far as health and living organically, right? Really drives a healthier outcome and the lifestyle that they are going to really produce. So, we do a lot of education with our patients and really get them to understand this help within principle. Doing this for seven years, I have really found that the philosophy and the mindset that people come in with is unfortunately, in my opinion, not correct. And a lot of people just believe that they’ve been given bad luck, or bad genes and that there’s just nothing to do about it. That is so false. There are answers. God has created the body to heal, function, and function well.
Kat: That’s so true. I believe that so much. It’s probably something that I highlight on almost every episode. People are probably like, “Okay, shut up, Kat, I get it.” But emotions and mindset, like you said, and just beliefs. Everyone gets funny about affirmations, but it’s important and so true. It’s just keeping that positive self-talk and positive thoughts and working through negative emotions and making them into positive. That is the root and foundation of healing your body. All this other stuff matters. But without that emotional piece being healthy, I truly don’t even believe that your body can heal. I think it’s that important. I appreciate you highlighting that. I have a very strong belief in that too.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, for sure.
Four Pillars of Health
Kat: One thing that I really love is you say that everything you and your wife Ashley do falls under the four pillars of health, which you call faith, function, fitness, and food. So, I would love for you to explain that philosophy a little bit and what each one of those mean to you?
Dr. Nick: Yeah. When we look at health, my mindset back in the day, was I knew I was healthy if I looked good or felt great. But as I really started to understand health from a deeper perspective I knew that it was so much more than that. It’s not just one thing that produces health. It is a multifaceted aspect to really living your optimal potential. And these four things are really kind of the things that we really set the pillars and foundation for our health and what we do on a daily basis.
Faith, I mean, that’s huge for us. That’s everything. That’s the biggest cornerstone and pillar to be honest with you. Our faith, as you just talked about with your mindset and your belief system, is true for us in every way that we believe that God has created the body to thrive and be well. But he is our Lord and Savior too. That is again the cornerstone of what we believe.
As far as function goes, fitness and food that kind of speaks for itself. But as far as function goes in the way of chiropractic, that is kind of the two that tie together functioning chiropractic. When we look at chiropractic and from the world’s eye view, a lot of people picture chiropractic as a great therapy, if you will, for neck pain, back pain, migraines, things like that. As I started to understand chiropractic even more as I was going through chiropractic school, I understood that chiropractic was so much more than that. We are not just working with a big hunk of muscles, ligaments, and bones. But within, inside the spine, it is the most important organ system that we have, which is the nervous system. The nervous system is what really dictates all functions for our body. That is the foundation, the baseline for where all health thrives from. The healthier we can provide an environment for the nervous system to communicate with the rest of the body, the healthier that individual is going to be.
Kat: Yeah, that’s so true. I think people are getting more and more into functional exercise, functional medicine, and now, of course, functional chiropractic care. And I think it’s just such a great belief and understanding of how the body all works together and how important it is. It’s like you will see someone has a liver problem, but really you need to adjust the spine and be doing all these things. The body works together in unison with each other. I think that concept is really going to propel the future of medicine to really help understand that we can’t just look at one thing. We have to really look at the body holistically to figure out what’s going on and what we need to fix.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, absolutely. I agree 110% on that.
Starting Points for a Patient “Falling Apart”
Kat: When you meet a patient, I know that you are having appointments, fixing them, and adjusting them. But you are also trying to change other things in their life and that’s where the true healing really comes in. What are some parts and practical things you teach your patients in your education program? And what are some of the things you focus on in food and fitness? If I came in and I was like, “Oh, my gosh, I’m falling apart.” Where would you start with me?
Dr. Nick: Where do we start, that’s kind of like opening Pandora’s box right there. We always start with, what I would say, less is more. When we introduce a patient in the practice, we don’t have them change anything from a lifestyle standpoint, except getting adjusted. Because what we want to do first and foremost is see how the power of chiropractic can play such a huge role into their healing journey, for whatever it looks like they are coming in for.
But when we start to look at other things outside of the world of chiropractic and really get neurologically the body functioning at its optimal level. Like we talked about the four pillars of health, there are more things outside of chiropractic that can really generate a healthy, organic lifestyle. From food, to fitness, to emotional, and spiritual well-being, I always go with this principle of, add rather than subtract.
The reason why I say that is because when you start taking something away from an individual, a lot of times what will happen is the brain will neurologically try and go out to seek or find what was taken away. Because what was taken away from that individual was most likely pleasurable to their brain. So, when you deprive the brain of its pleasure, it will go and seek that out. I always go with the principle, add rather than subtract because unfortunately when we take things away first, that is when we have an inconsistency in the success.
We can see a lot of things like people not being able to achieve their goals, people with diets yo-yo in their weights and not as successful as they could be. So, I always go with the principle of adding. You are not taking anything away but adding something little and simple to the lifestyle. And once we get that established and get that addition of whatever that might be for the individual, we get that consistency, we can really start to subtract some of that unhealthy, unwanted behaviors or lifestyles out of the equation.
Kat: That makes total sense. I think that’s the greatest place to start, just do one thing. Then we can add all these things on and start to learn more and more about how to make your body healthy. But it’s like, if we can just get them to show up to chiropractic care, to your office, and adjust certain things, we can slowly add on from there. I love that concept.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, half of the battle is just showing up.
Kat: Exactly. One thing that I love about you guys is that you really focus on family, pediatric, and pregnancy care. I know we have a ton of moms that listen to this, and probably certainly many pregnant people. I would love to hear your philosophy on why that’s so important for pregnant women? And I can say, I only did chiropractic care with my last child, my fifth, and his birth was like 20 minutes long. It was fast, labor was fast, and I had a really great experience. My pregnancy was easy. I was less tired. So, again, from personal experience, I had a really great success with chiropractic care during pregnancy. I would love to just hear the benefits and all that you do for your patients who may be expecting?
Chiropractic Care and Pregnancy
Dr. Nick: Let’s dive into pregnancy first and then we can really dig into pediatrics thereafter. We see a lot of pregnant women in the office for a multitude of different reasons. Some come into the office for just the aches and pains of what pregnancy can put onto the female body. We also see a lot of women in our office for baby positioning, breech position, not optimal position of the body, they will come in for that. And all sorts of other things. In the same respect too, just wanting to optimize their labor and delivery process as well.
So, taking care of pregnant women is definitely much different than just taking care of someone who is not. There are so many different things that are at play. But a lot of the benefits that I always tell women is the healthier we can really make the alignment of the pelvis, the better the process of delivery is going to go. The way that I explain it to a lot of patients, I love to teach through analogies. If you think of the pelvis like a door, the hinges on a door are very much like the different joints in the pelvis. If the hinges are not lined up, just exactly that door is going to have a much harder time opening and closing. It’s going to take a lot more force to open and close it.
That same principle really does apply to the alignment of the hips and the pelvis. If there is any imbalance structurally to the hips, then it does not allow for an easy ability for the hips to open up during that birthing process. If it’s coming against a little bit of resistance of the opening, it just leaves a little less room, essentially in the birth canal, for the baby to pass down through that to have an optimal delivery process. When that doesn’t happen, unfortunately, we can see little kiddos get stuck in the birth canal or we can see a very long and labored delivery process. And unfortunately, sometimes it can lead to C-section because it’s just not progressing properly.
On top of just working within the actual structure pieces of the pelvis and the hips, we do a lot of soft tissue work too which is really unique for prenatal care. We look at a lot of the supporting ligaments that connect the pelvis to the uterine wall, which we always kind of explain as, almost like strings to a hot air balloon. If you think about the hot air balloon, like the uterus, any tension or abnormal tension along the ligaments there can leave the shape or the position of the uterus to not be balanced from side to side. When that is not cohesive and balanced from side to side, that can leave the baby to want to favor one side of the body or another, or sometimes doesn’t allow the baby to get into the full head down position.
So, there are really a lot of benefits outside of the general aches and pains that we can have for a lot of women that come in for pain to just improve the optimal birthing process and efficiency to also baby position as well.
Kat: I love that. And then, what about once the baby is born? I know some chiropractors do house calls within 48 hours. I had my newborn there within a week or two. What are the benefits of that early adjustment for some of these infants?
Early Adjustments for Infants
Dr. Nick: Yeah, I mean, the early benefits of that adjustment are really going to be to help set the tone and trajectory for their neurological development. When we kind of shift gears and talk about the pediatric world and infant world here, the first year of life is when the brain has its most rapid growth process. If we have a stressful birth process or maybe potentially some trauma to the birth process, that affects the baby. It can affect the way their neurology is developing. If we can get at that right away, we can help set the tone to a much better trajectory moving forward for them for optimal growth and development. If we don’t get to that, that can lead to a lot of different potentials for that little one. Sometimes you will see kiddos that come into the office with excessive colic or crying, come in with maybe some excessive spit up or reflux, sometimes their digestive regularity is not as fluid and regular as it should be.
Sometimes kiddos come in with maybe a favoring of their head to one side or another, or maybe some latching challenges. A lot of time that is due to stress on the nervous system due to the birthing process or potentially the position they were in within utero. A lot of times when we can get ahead of this from an early on standpoint, we can really ward off a lot of potential challenges that come along with some infants.
Kat: You know, it’s funny, my oldest daughter who is 14 now, she had pretty bad torticollis when she was born. She was in the birthing canal for a while, etc., etc. Honestly, she probably didn’t start chiropractic care until the last few years. She developed severe migraines. I wonder how much of that is related. We go to the chiropractor now once a week and if she misses an appointment it’s almost guaranteed she will get a migraine. But if we stay on it, keep on, she’s pretty much in remission from them. I never put that together that it could have been that birthing trauma that all these years later it is affecting her.
Dr. Nick: That’s such a true point. In our consultation examination process, why do we do such a deep history, we don’t just look at the last year, or just the last couple weeks or months, we really dig really far back. All those details in the history, even far back, just make all of the difference into discovering the root cause as to why people have x, y, or z different challenges.
Neurodevelopmental Disorders
Kat: Absolutely. Let’s talk a little bit about some of these neurodevelopmental disorders like autism, SPD, or ADHD. How do you see chiropractic care really helping them? And why do you think it does? Maybe if you could explain to me physiologically? It’s crazy because again if you get an adjustment, then all of a sudden a month later, my son was walking when he was severely delayed before that. I would just love to understand how that is all related and maybe give some hope to people out there that have kids that are struggling.
Dr. Nick: Absolutely. It all comes back to the nervous system. We have been talking about the nervous system quite a bit today. But neurologically, I guess we can kind of go back to the foundations of this, from a chiropractic perspective, we look at the health of the spine, the alignment of the spine. When there is any abnormal positioning or shifting of the spine out of its normal alignment, this starts to create a stress response in the nervous system. When we look at the nervous system and look at the stress response, this fight or flight, sympathetic response in the nervous system, what this does is completely changes the cascade of function neurologically and physiologically of the body.
Again, I love to teach through example. So, if you think about a stressful situation. For example, getting chased by a bear. What happens in this sympathetic stress response state, again, is that your physiology changes. And we know that because when you get chased by a bear certain things happen. Your body is going to prioritize a lot of the resources for the cardiovascular system, for the muscular system, it is going to release certain hormones and chemicals in the body in order to evade that stressor. But with the same respect, the body starts to shut down other processes so that way the body can thrive in others, like running away from the bear. The body starts to shut down normal digestive function because it’s not the most opportune time, as you are running away from the bear, to go to the bathroom or find where your next meal is coming from. It’s not the most opportune time to take a nap or rest. It’s not the most opportune time to learn a new task or something new just in general. That state of neurology is just not optimum for that. So, obviously it’s a very different situation that we are talking about and a little bit more of an extreme example. But when there is a lot of stress built up neurologically, it just doesn’t allow for balance processing.
A lot of times what we see is that these kiddos on the spectrum are neurologically wired a little bit more for this stress response type of activity from a nervous system standpoint. You can think about when you are getting chased by a bear, that’s an obviously very stressful situation and very anxiety producing situation, a very heightened stimulatory type sensation. And again, it’s not the most opportune environment to just be calm, rest, and relaxed to allow for optimum processing and development of the brain. Our goal, from a chiropractic perspective, is to reduce the amount of stress neurologically on the body to really get the brain to rewire from a stress response state to what we call a rest and digest state or what we call the parasympathetic side nervous system.
And this is ideally where we want a lot of kiddos to be, especially those on the spectrum that are maybe dealing with some ADD, ADHD, autism type things. This is where the brain again develops and really thrives. This is where rest and relaxation come into play. Digestion, immune function, and just the healing process in general. So, it really comes down to just the amount of stress neurologically and how that really affects the individual. It’s so different from autism to sensory processing to ADHD and other neurodevelopmental disorders. We could go to the specifics of all of them but from a very general basis, it’s really getting the nervous system to shift out of a fight or flight stress response into a more rest and digest stage.
Kat: How often are you thinking that these kids need to come in for an adjustment? I know there are a lot of differing opinions on that. Do you try to kind of front load your treatment to see them often in the beginning and then taper it off? Or is it something that you see weekly or what do you usually like to do?
Dr. Nick: Yeah. So, I would say just to put a general rule of thumb on it, because again every case is so different. We use time and repetition to get us to our kind of goal. Essentially what I mean by that is we typically give the parents a specific timeframe of what we’re looking at. Whether that be four weeks, eight weeks, 12 weeks, whatever that timeframe looks like for that individual, usually we are working several times per week. As we kind of talked about a little while ago was that especially for kids, the brain is developing at such a rapid rate. The more the brain starts to fire and wire into the stress response state, the more it just becomes more of the normal way of the brain and neurology just operates. We have to essentially be a kind of reverse engineer. We have to consistently give it different and better input several times per week if we are going to want to rewire the way that the brain is kind of functioning.
Kat: I love that. I love it too, it’s like we’ve talked a lot about kids. But you treat the whole family. You treat adults, the parents that are coming in with their kids. I know this is kind of a loaded question, but what are you seeing a lot of adults for? Are there specific things that you’re helping with? I know from my experience chiropractic care helps literally with everything. But what are some of the biggest benefits even for adults when they are coming in to see you?
Adult Care
Dr. Nick: Yes. I would say, you know, obviously parents do come in with a lot of aches and pains. One thing I’ve learned with being a parent is that I put the health of my kiddo and my family above my own a lot of times. A lot of times parents come in just lost and putting off taking care of themselves for a long time. We do honestly see a lot of adults with just different aches and pains and things like that. We are in an environment where we sit way too much a lot of times.
So, we do see a lot of people with low back pain because they’re just not moving and getting enough motion throughout the day. We are honestly at the computer quite a bit and behind technology, so a lot of times we will see what we call “text neck” which can drive a lot of neck discomfort, headaches, migraines, like you were talking about with your daughter and certain things. But also, stress. We just live in such a fast-paced world that I feel like parents are under a lot of stress with travel sports and trying to manage all the things. A lot of times we see people with a lot of anxiety and again a lot of stress in general. We found that chiropractic is just a fantastic piece of their wellness team, if you will, to keep them rocking and going at 100%.
Kat: Totally. I think for me, it’s so funny, my husband went to the chiropractor. It’s a joke because I’m always ahead of the curve. He’s like, “I’m like six months behind everything you do.” But he saw the chiropractor for years before I did because he always had back pain and I never did. So, I was like, “Oh, I don’t need to go. There’s no reason for that.” I mean, literally as someone who doesn’t suffer from aches, pains, back pain, injuries really, it still changed my life. The fact that I can sleep better, my digestion is better, I have more energy, and all of these little things that make my life so much better. From one thing from visiting the chiropractor once a week, it was crazy to me. I didn’t realize how important my nervous system was or how much stress it was under before I started getting this chiropractic care that I didn’t even know I desperately needed.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, absolutely. I always tell people too, it’s kind of very similar to a cavity. Before you experience the pain, that disease process has been developing for months, if not years. A lot of people go, just kind of under the radar for such a long time, again thinking that they are healthy because they feel well or they look well. But really inside, their body is not functioning optimally. But you don’t know sometimes how good you can feel until you feel good.
Kat: That’s so true. And I love something you say, “We are not the last resort, we are the first line of defense.” I think that’s so true. And it’s so important too. We have treated medical care in our country for so long as sick care, you know, but there’s this huge piece that’s preventative that if we can all start to learn at a early age, like there’s these certain things we can do like chiropractic care that are going to be the first line of defense and really help our bodies fight off anything coming at us, it’s so important to integrate them early and often into our routine.
Dr. Nick: Yes. That’s why we love taking care of kiddos. I’ll tell you, it is easier raising healthy kids than fixing sick adults, I will tell you that. So, when we can start it off right, from an early age, there is just so much potential that can happen from that.
Just like you said too, just from our healthcare standpoint, we are very reactive in nature. Again, waiting until we feel something or we have a symptom of some sort. We love seeing people that come in with symptoms. But you know, some of my favorite things are when people kind of get the big idea and they just want to live a healthy life and have a great quality of life. That is where I would love to be the first line of defense. And again, using the analogy, I feel like dentistry has done such a fantastic job at this preventative nature that people understand that they need to brush their teeth once or twice a day to maintain healthy teeth. But we don’t necessarily treat that same mentality in our health and wellness lifestyle as well.
Kat: I’ve never even thought about that, so true. It really is. I think too, we are met with so much on just a daily basis from all the toxins in our world, whether it’s food or environment or stress or all the things we are going through, I’m sometimes like, when I know my kids are getting the chiropractic care, and they’re doing these couple things, and they’re taking their supplements, it’s like I don’t have to stress as much about removing all those other things because I’m giving them a healthy foundation for their bodies to maybe fight off the Chick-fil-A nuggets that I let them cheat with or whatever because they are starting from a better foundation. I think it’s like a little bit of a peace of mind kind of insurance policy that there is this one thing I’m doing that allows their body to take in the other toxins they are met with, that they’re going to inevitably be met with anyway, and just kind of process them through a little bit better.
Dr. Nick: Yeah, I think the key is giving the individual the best ability to adapt to the world around them.
Kat: Exactly.
Dr. Nick: I like to look at the body very similar to, a bucket, I want to keep the stress level in our bucket to a bare minimum so that way whenever we encounter whatever stress it is, again whether it’s a Chick-fil-A nugget or just breathing in potentially some of the toxic air, whatever it may be, your body is going to have a better resilience to it than if your bucket was already full. Any little thing that may come into the bucket at that point would cause it to overflow and cause the body to break down and be unwell.
Where to Find Dr. Nick
Kat: Absolutely, absolutely. Well, Dr. Nick, it’s been so great getting to chat with you today. I know this is just a great insight for people that might not understand chiropractic care, might even be a little bit scared of it. So, I hope that it helped open some people’s eyes to what is out there and a great thing it can be for the whole family.
I appreciate your time today. I would love for you to share where our listeners could find you, maybe Instagram, a website, like you said, you’re located up in Ohio, so just kind of your practice information and anything you could share with us.
Dr. Nick: Yes. We are located in Perrysburg, Ohio. The name of our office is Innate Healthcare-Practic. You can find us on social media, Facebook, or Instagram. Our website is www.GetInnateHealth.com.
Tip for Organic Living
Kat: Awesome. We’d like to end on this one question. What is your one tip or best tip for living life organically?
Dr. Nick: Great question. I think it’s simple. It’s two words and how I sign all of my emails. It is, “all in.” So, no matter where you are on this health and wellness journey, whether you’ve been doing it a long time or just new to the scene, whatever you do, go all in. Because one thing I know is that when you play all out and go all in your success is going to be way better than if you did not.
Kat: I love that. So good.
Well, awesome Dr. Nick. Thank you again for joining us today. I just gave you a follow on Instagram. I can’t wait to keep up with you guys and all you’re doing. We just appreciate this knowledge. Hope to get to chat again soon.
Dr. Nick: Yes, thanks for having me on. Appreciate your time.
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