Be Organic Podcast – Season 1, Episode 37. Rose Uncharted: The Sun is Your Friend, Not Foe
Rose Uncharted, a well known “citizen researcher”, challenges views specifically when it comes to the sun and its counterpart, sunscreen. She also discusses heliotherapy, an ancient practice using the power of sunlight to heal diseases from tuberculosis, cancers, to even skin conditions.
TIME STAMPS
1:40 Intro (jump to section)
3:35 How Rose found her path (jump to section)
9:00 The sun and its false narrative (jump to section)
15:16 Heliotherapy (jump to section)
20:13 Sunscreen and its problems (jump to section)
32:40 Mindful sun exposure (jump to section)
Transcription Below
Kat Eckles: Welcome to Be Organic. I’m Kat!
Landon Eckles: And I’m Landon, and we are the founders of Clean Juice.
Kat: Don’t worry. We’re not here to introduce just another health and wellness podcast because we like our podcasts…
Landon: Just how we like our food: without the fluff and full of real stuff.
Kat: So get ready for practical tips, actionable advice, and all sorts of knowledge for living your life organically.
Introducing Rose
Landon: Be Organic listeners, welcome into another episode. I’m super excited for everything that we’re gonna talk about today. We’ve actually got an incredible guest – as always, but this one is extra incredible. It’s funny; when we scheduled this podcast – and I’ll let Kat introduce her – everyone who’s on the team was on the thread, but our attendee on the call today was also on the thread, and the team had no idea.
So when we scheduled this incredible woman, the whole team went back and forth like, “Yay! Rose! She’s here! This is awesome. We got her!” Everyone then got really embarrassed when they found out that Rose was actually on the thread and saw everyone’s response to her getting scheduled. It was probably pretty humbling, but pretty a cool experience for you, huh, Rose?
Rose Uncharted: That was really funny.
Kat: Well, yes, we are so excited to have Rose. It is safe to say that we are huge fangirls of her. She’s a woman of many talents. One of the prominent ones namely being that she evokes critical analysis of views and beliefs we have all been taught. Rose is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to herbs, natural remedies, and nutrition, as well as other research. She’s gained some serious traction on her social media, An Uncharted Blog, where she publishes her own personal findings as well as the findings of others who have been downplayed in mainstream media. Today, we get the opportunity to hear more from Rose about the topic of sun and break down the idea that sun is a friend, not foe. She also is a very sweet mama with the most beautiful family, and we are just super excited to have her today, so thank you so much for joining us, Rose.
Rose: Oh, thank you for having me. I’m really excited to have a conversation with you guys.
Kat: Yeah. You also have your own line of products, too, right? I don’t think I mentioned that in my intro.
Rose: I do. I do.
Kat: Awesome.
Rose: Yeah! It’s called Wild Woman and I have a few natural products. I really wasn’t gonna plug that ticket at all, but I mean – so that’s been really fun. That’s our primary source of income right now, and I’m loving that I have my own little studio in our house and it’s… yeah, it’s a lot of fun.
Kat: That’s awesome. Well, I know they do great, because a couple of the ones I’ve tried to get every time you’re restocked, and I can’t, so I know you have a great following with them.
Landon: What are the products, Rose?
Rose: So I have a few balms. I have two – I have like a balm that is supposed to replace a Neosporin type of product. It’s called Rescue. I have a balm called Sunny. That is – I don’t call it a sunscreen. It’s not a sunscreen, but it’s supposed to replace that type of a product. We can get into that later if you want to. And then I have another face balm. I have a hair oil. I have a bug repellent. Just kind of some random products that moms are looking for products to switch out. They’re no longer trusting some of these natural brands, so that was kind of how it started.
I was realizing, “Hey, even these natural products are really not clean.” So that’s why I started making them.
Kat: I love that. To that point, I guess I’d love to hear, your story of how you found yourself down this path of holistic living and holistic wellness.
How Rose Found Her Path
Rose: Well, I was raised in a home that was quite detached from the Western medical mindset. I was homeschooled. My mother was very much into alternative medicine. We never went to the doctor. I’ve never been admitted to a hospital. I have seven sisters, and there was no chronic disease in our family. I really never had that allopathic medicine type of mindset programmed into me in the first place, so I think that gave me kind of a good perspective as I started to dive deep into alternative medicine and natural living.
Landon: So you have this background where you grew up in this family, um, which is very, you know, kind of non-traditional right. Where typically people are, you know, they’re going to the, the doctor all the time, especially in their first year of life.
What was that like, kind of growing up and – I mean, obviously for you, you didn’t know any different, right – but looking back and looking how people – I’m using air quotes – are more “traditional” these days, what was that like? Give us a little insight on that.
Rose: Well, I would say that was actually more traditional than what we have now. Like I said, we never went to the doctor. I remember all kinds of natural remedies being used in our home, but I just didn’t think that that was anything out of the ordinary.
I had no awareness of the need for outside medical interference, outside of obviously emergency medical care. So I guess you could say I’ve always been quite natural in my ways, but I didn’t realize how abnormal it was until I became an adult and realized, “Oh, not everyone else lives this way.”
So I actually never gave up on that mindset. I never subscribed to the modern medical way of how you look at the body. It just kind of came natural to me that health comes from within as direct result of what you put on it, what you put in it, and how you live your life. When I got pregnant with my first son, that’s kind of when it kicked me into high gear, and I actually became passionate about it.
Kat: That’s so good. And I know something that you and I share is our Christian faith. And would you say that strong spirituality in the way that you were raised – does that play into your perception in the way you look at health and wellness?
Rose: Yes, definitely. I treat our health very carefully and from a God-based perspective of how he created us and what our bodies were made for, which I think a lot of people don’t really dial back and think critically about: how is our body supposed to be functioning on this earth?
We’ve been told all of these things from the skin cancer industry and all of these different industries about how our bodies are supposed to function and what we’re supposed to do when they malfunction, and we don’t dial back and kind of go, “Oh wait, that doesn’t actually make sense, because the body does this.” There’s just not much critical thinking involved when I look at it from my perspective. I know that it’s hard for people who have already learned those ways. Maybe that doesn’t make it make sense.
Kat: No, it makes total sense. I think God wants us in divine health, and He puts all these tools and all these resources in His world for us to live that way. I think if we just would be more open minded and tap into that, especially as believers, there’s a lot of blessing on the other side there.
And one of those things that God created is the sun. We hear it all the time: “Don’t be in the sun too long! Stay out of the sun, especially in the hot hours! Make sure you wear sunscreen.” We’ve essentially been told to be scared of the sun. I know your take is practically exact opposite of that, so I would love to hear your take on the sun and how we should be approaching it.
Rose: There are so many misconceptions and falsehoods in what we’ve been told about the sun, and we’d be here for days if I tried to cover everything, but I’ll try to hit on the key points. I’d like to say upfront that I’m not a doctor. I’m not a scientist. I am simply a messenger of information – information that I’ve processed and believe to be important knowledge. My not having credentials in no way disqualifies me from being able to read, process, and understand scientific material and then share it with others.
There’s this monopoly on knowledge, and we kind of view these white lab coat doctors as this… Ali from Empowered Autoimmune says this: that we’ve been indoctrinated to believe that these superior, God-like physicians and doctors are this exclusive gatekeeper to the sacred body of privileged knowledge.
It’s just not true. We are in the digital age, and we have all of this information and data literally at our fingertips. We have to become citizen scientists to safeguard and ensure our own best interests, because as hard as it is to believe, these three letter health agencies that regulate the science that they put out as truth are all wrapped up in just horrible, dirty dealings with big pharma.
We can’t always count on them to deliver unbiased science to us. I’ve actually found that we can almost never count on them. There’s so much conflict of interest. It’s really messy. And when I went to look at the science behind all the claims that were made about the sun and the EPA, and then what the media parrots, I realized that there’s really no controlled studies proving the false claim that the sun causes skin cancer or any other diseases. They’re actually not there. And that’s not just my own opinion having combed over all the science. There are professionals and researchers and all these people that are saying the same thing: There’s no studies that prove what they’re saying. This is very typical within all of these, health agencies. They’ll make a claim, and if you really actually go and look, it’s not there in the science, and they just assume that you’re gonna be stupid and not look at the science.
Our view of the sun is that it is dangerous, that you should stay out of it. Well, that’s funny, because the sun is actually the most life-giving source on the planet, and our earth was designed that way. I like to put it this way: we’re meant to be solar panels of light. So we actually absorb the energy of the sun, and it’s life-giving to our bodies.
Landon: That’s really good.
Kat: Well, and it’s so interesting, right? Because you say there’s no studies that prove the sun causes skin cancers or any diseases, but there’s countless studies proving that vitamin D deficiency is a huge problem in our world today.
Rose: Absolutely! That’s a whole other thing that I didn’t even take any notes on, because it’s such a big topic, but the lack of vitamin D, I would also say, causes skin cancer and other cancers. It’s a really big problem because when you’re slathering sunscreen on – dependent on which kind you are putting on; there’s two different kinds. There’s one that will block UVA rays, and then there’s one that will block UVB and UVA rays. When you’re putting on the one that blocks both, you’re not able to absorb the vitamin D, and supplementing is actually harmful in a lot of ways, because you don’t have any control over – it’s a complicated thing, but it’s a really big problem.
Landon: So Rose, number one, I just want to commend you for your ability to challenge conventional thinking. I don’t want you to sugarcoat anything, because I want to hear from your perspective exactly what you think. I think that people do need to hear this stuff. I think it’s okay to challenge and to debate and have good conversation around things that are sometimes a little controversial to talk about. So, number one, I just want to commend you and I want to thank you for coming on the show and sharing your experiences with us.
So, number one, you’ve established that the sun is not bad for you. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. The sun actually has a ton of healing properties that many people don’t even know or think about. Can you elaborate a little bit on some of these healing properties that the sun provides?
The Sun and its False Narrative
Rose: Sure. So, something that maybe you guys have not even heard – this is a very new concept even for me, as of last year. So, think about: light exposes darkness, right, by definition? So sunlight – and this is what I’ve read from the sources that I draw information from regarding this topic – the sunlight actually draws out sickness out of our bodies. So what you see as maybe a dangerous skin spot or a mole or something that’s coming out of the skin, when you’re in the sun, is actually the body releasing that toxic oxidized material out of the body. Yes, it damages the skin, but when the body’s given no other choice, it will do what it has to to sustain life.
You’re going to have to have me on again to talk about cancer, because we have it all wrong. Cancer is the body’s last-ditch effort to keep you alive. But the way we think about how the body functions is super distorted by modern allopathic medicine and junk science. So when we actually talk about how the body functions, it sounds ridiculous – and that opinion is not just my own, some mom who has no credentials – we’re talking thousands of physicians and researchers, but of course, all of this stuff is suppressed by big pharma.
You really don’t access that kind of information unless you go digging for it. But yeah, our bodies are self-healing if we let it, and a lot of the diseases that manifest in our bodies, it’s actually, strangely enough, our bodies trying to heal us. And it looks terrible, and you’ve got this pain and you’ve got these – you know, cancer and all this stuff, but when you have organs that are shutting down and they’re not able to do the function that they need to do to make you well, it has to go a different way. It’s going to manifest in a different way, and the body’s going to try to save you. We try to just slap a bandaid with medication on all of these diseases, instead of [considering], “No, the body was like crying out for health and it was manifesting this thing.” So we are just looking at the body completely wrong.
Landon: It’s a very interesting perspective, and from a personal standpoint, I can see where you’re coming from. My dad – when he was 46, he passed away from liver cancer. He was not a very healthy guy: over ate and consumed things that he shouldn’t, and I found it very interesting that the liver is where he developed the cancer. I really truly believe in my heart that if he would’ve lived a different lifestyle, he wouldn’t have developed that. I definitely, just looking into my own life, can see where you’re talking about.
Heliotherapy
Rose: Totally. I don’t think I really finished answering the question that you asked: what are the benefits of the sun? Heliotherapy was something that was practiced for hundreds of years. Before antibiotic drugs were discovered in… I think the 1930s, the medical community all over the world used the healing power of the sun to cure patients of all sorts of diseases.
There was a doctor named … August, I think. and he was the most famous heliotherapist in the world. He actually operated over 40 clinics at one point in Switzerland, and it’s really cool – his clinics were 5,000 feet above sea level, and he would use the intensity of the UV light, being at that high altitude, and he was able to treat patients very quickly of all sorts of diseases, tuberculosis, smallpox, lupus. There were 165 diseases that were actually proven to be cured by intentional sunlight exposure. Despite all of these amazing achievements by him and other heliotherapists, because there were many at the time – one heliotherapist actually won a Nobel Prize for his work in treating tuberculosis with UV light – the entire practice of heliotherapy came under attack when big pharma showed up with all of its supposed miracle pills. So they crushed all of the – and this is what would happen to really all of these incredible treatments of old. They get erased and replaced with this delusional way of looking at and treating the body.
Kat: Just to be clear for our listeners, heliotherapy is basically treating the patient with high doses of light or sunlight or UV light? What does the exact process look like?
Rose: Just sunlight. It’s really simple. Most people around the world don’t have to go out and intentionally do this. It comes natural to them. But for people who are maybe in an area where they don’t get very much light or they’re inside all the time, we actually see the skin cancer rates in those areas are very high, and you’d be surprised to know that the skin cancer rates in places near the equator are much, much lower – actually the lowest in the world. So that does not line up with what they’re telling us.
Kat: That’s so true. It’s funny you say that, because I’m always looking, like, “Where can we move next?” and I was looking the other day at like the lowest cancer rates in the US and all top 10 states are states like California, Florida, Utah, Texas – all states where people are outside in the sunlight and it’s warmer, so they’re literally getting sun year round. So I just think it’s – like you said, for all cancers, it’s such an important factor.
Rose: I was gonna say just a little bit about skin cancer. There’s a lot of deception in that as well as far as what they’re telling us about these statistics. Most people don’t know this, and they bank on you not knowing: the most lethal form of skin cancer is malignant melanoma, but this skin cancer only comprises 6% of the total number of cases every year, so there’s this 94% of skin cancers is not dangerous or life-threatening.
And most people don’t know this, so the sunscreen companies will take advantage of that and exploit our lack of knowledge with all this fear surrounding the sun. The most common types – so that 94% – they’re not even considered cancer according to the Cancer Institute. These types of skin cancer are almost always easily cured, and they very rarely kill anyone.
So there’s the effort to instill fear into the entire population. I believe it’s a deliberate effort to get us to believe that the most healing thing available to us is harmful to us. And that, of course, leads to more sick people, and ultimately more money in their pockets. The sunscreen industry is pretty corrupt too. They go hand-in-hand with these institutes. It’s funny – when you actually go to the Skin Cancer Institute website, there are ads on there that vilify the sun. If you do some searching, you can find out that those ads are directly financed by the leading sunscreen manufacturers, so it’s just a manipulation of public opinion for monetary motives. People don’t question these agencies, because we have this blind belief that they have our best interests at heart and, “Oh, they’re not gonna lie to us” and “Oh, they’re regulated.”
Well, that’s an entirely different bunny trail, but bottom line is these agencies are very, very corrupt.
Sunscreen and Its Problems
Landon: So let’s talk about sunscreen a little bit. I want to hear your perspective on it. I think people generally believe that sunscreen is – I’m using air quotes again – “good for you,” but I think your viewpoint is that it’s actually very bad for you and could cause certain things. Can you elaborate a little on that?
Rose: Sure. So, the first problem we have with sunblock is obviously [that] the lotions contain dozens of carcinogens. Many of those ingredients are actually banned in other countries. One of the other issues with it that I think a lot of people don’t know is that when you apply sunscreen, it actually turns off your natural sensors for what your body is trying to tell you. So we slather on the sunblock, go in the sun, and we no longer have awareness to what our body needs.
Those sensors are turned off – and this is especially true with sunglasses – when you put on sunglasses, your body goes, “Oh, it’s dark. I no longer need to produce melanin.” It’s a big disaster because we’re blocking all of these sensors and it actually causes us to burn more.
Landon: Would you equate it to taking a pain reliever when you have pain? Where you’re trying to treat the pain versus what’s actually happening [to cause the pain]. Would you kind of equate it to that?
Rose: I guess that concept makes sense. Obviously you’re still gonna feel the burn if you get burned with sunblock on, but the concept – yeah, that is true.
Landon: Sunscreen has generally been around for what, 50 or 75 years, max? Not very long.
Rose: Yeah. Not very long.
Landon: Right, so what did we do before sunscreen?
Rose: So before sunscreen, if you think about it, we were not so disconnected from our natural surroundings. We were outside. We were in the field. We were out there being involved in nature, and we didn’t have to worry about these things, because our bodies took care of it. It wasn’t an issue, getting too much sun. Where now, we’re inside most of the time. We have these people, they’re inside all the time, then they go on a vacation and they take off their shirt, and they’re just in the sun all day and they’re like, “Oh, I’m burned. Sun bad.” It’s just another huge disconnect that we have regarding the sun.
Landon: Could you almost view the sun as – obviously, we believe that the sun has a lot of healing properties. It’s got to – I mean, it’s literally giving us a vitamin that really, we should only be getting from it, which is vitamin D. Would you also almost consider it as a tool?
Like there’s a lot of different tools out there, and people have to have certain skill sets to use these tools. But like you just said, if somebody has no idea how to use a circular saw and they go and try to use it to cut down all this stuff, and they’ve never used it before, they’re probably not gonna use it right, you know? So for that person who’s inside all the time and then they go out and then they get burned and then they get mad that they get burned, they just didn’t use that tool properly, right?
Rose: Absolutely. Yeah. There’s, there’s that, and there’s obviously what you’re putting in your body. We are disconnected on all angles, and so naturally we do not have a good relationship with the sun, and it burns us.
Kat: It’s funny that you mentioned that. I remember probably 10 to 15 years ago, I read an article that said spinach helps protect you from the inside out when it comes to sun. I have a green smoothie every day, so I have spinach every day anyway, but whenever I’m at the beach, I’m putting extra spinach in my smoothie that morning because I’m like, “I need that sun protection.”
Are there other things like that? Of course, eating clean in general is all – you know, if we’re eating processed foods and all sorts of junk, we’re kind of not even on the same planet here – but are there things that people can do as far as what they’re putting in their bodies that might help protect them naturally against any negative effects they’d get from the sun?
Rose: So my naturopath swears by astaxanthin. It’s an algae, and he swears that it prevents burning. I’ve never tried it, so I can’t vouch for that, but that’s an idea. Obviously, there’s going to be more importance on your overall diet and not just one supplement you can take here or there, because your overall diet is going to affect what’s sitting in your tissues.
Because then if you’ve got toxins just loaded in your tissues, the sun’s gonna bake onto that, and that’s literally just cancer waiting to happen. It’s not the sun that’s causing cancer – and we’ll get into the oil thing later, but the oils are the big one.
Kat: I’d actually love to hear you talk about this because, um, this wasn’t something I was aware of at all. I was watching one of your highlights on sun or something, but – the one thing I will put on my body, like when we were in Hilton Head last week and it was hot and I was like, “I need something.” I put coconut oil on. Is that something that I shouldn’t have done? Because it’s a saturated fat?
Rose: OK, so saturated fat is good. Unsaturated fat is bad.
Kat: Gotcha. OK.
Rose: I think when you sent me an email, you said something about saturated, and I thought maybe you meant to say unsaturated, so yeah. Saturated is good. So that’s your coconut oils, shea butter, cocoa butter, all those butters? Good. Those have a bond that is not going to oxidize your skin cells. The polyunsaturated fatty acids, which people like to call POUFA for short, they destroy basically, to put it in simple terms, it’s cellular death.
So when you put POUFA on your skin or when you eat it – which, it’s in everything, it’s in all of our products: lotions, makeup, everything. It’s in all of our food: crackers, cookies, soup – healthy food. If you start looking at labels and noticing, “I’m gonna avoid some of these oils,” you’ll realize quickly that it’s in just about everything.
Kat: So say some of those oils for our listeners. Are we talking canola oils and… ?
Rose: Mmhmm. So that would be canola oil, safflower, all of your nut oils. They are extremely unstable. So basically they’re rancid, and when in presence of light, heat, and oxygen, they oxidize, and that basically causes free radical damage, cellular death. So that’s on the inside of your body as well, and it can cause major internal distress, hormonal, immune system – there are some physicians that do all of this research that believe that you can trace POUFA damage back to just about every disease.
So it’s a big issue, and it’s what we all eat right now. So it’s really not that surprising that we have such high skin cancer rates. So my argument is that it it’s those things. It’s not the sun. The sun plays a role, but it’s not the sun, because when you go out in the sun and this is a problem, you’ve got a body loaded with POUFAs because they store in your body. You’ve got to displace them. You’ve got to actually start taking things that will displace that POUFA stored up. But when you go out in the sun and you have a body loaded with POUFA, the sun is heat and light – the two things you need for oxidation to occur. And then it just, it goes to town on your skin.
And so people who are in the sun a lot and have, loads of freckles or loads of sunspots, or, you know, all of this damage on the skin, that’s actually – it does have to do with the sun, but it’s not the sun’s fault, if that makes sense.
Kat: No, that totally makes sense.
Mindful Sun Exposure
Landon: That definitely makes sense to me. Right now, I could view our listeners and I could see them getting a little bit confused, because you’re bucking conventional wisdom and you’re really challenging them to think about things, and that’s exactly what we want. We want to give our listeners what we believe is really good information and just get them thinking about things. Right now, they’re probably listening, and they’ve used sunscreen before, and they’re thinking, “OK. All right, I’m not gonna use sunscreen anymore, but what can I do? Because you’re telling me the sun’s good for me, what can I do to naturally protect my skin? Where should I be? Where should I go from here?”
Rose: Yeah, so it’s really not that complicated.
Landon: That’s good.
Rose: It is if you are not willing to change your diet, obviously, but it’s two things.So, removing the burden of POUFAs from your body, lessening that consumption. So obviously I don’t go crazy with it; I really try to limit it as much as I possibly can, but if I have a cracker that has some sunflower oil in it, I’m not gonna cry, you know, it’s OK. I’ll have some of it, but we want to lower that burden. So just be more mindful of your purchases. We really rarely will get food out, because certain food that’s cooked in restaurants… they’re all using peanut oil, canola oil, all the ones that we wouldn’t even buy for our kitchen cooking, really bad oil. That’s in everything, so when we can lower that, that’s huge. That’s the main thing.
The second thing is to help your body displace some of that stored POUFA. One of the main things that you can do to do that is take vitamin E. Vitamin E is an antioxidant, and it actually will displace that POUFA. It’s amazing. There is a guy called Matt Blackburn on Instagram. He drives me crazy, but God love him, he was actually one of the ones who led me to the research to find all of that out. He actually has his own vitamin E product. Um, and a little tip. You don’t want to go out and get any vitamin E. You don’t want a GMO vitamin E, and that’s what most of them are.
If you go to the health food store, most of them are gonna not be the one that you want. So you want specifically a non-GMO sunflower-derived vitamin E. I take vitamin E with just about every meal. I put it on my skin. I am actually coming out with a skin serum that has it in it, because my business follows my current research.
So yeah, those are the two things. It’s really not that hard. I mean, it takes some adjusting. You have to start reading labels, and you have to start being mindful with your food choices, but it’s so worth it.
Kat: I know one tip that a lot of people give is to stay out of the sun when it’s heaviest, I think it’s like ten to two, they say. Is that something you live by, or do you ignore that as well?
Rose: Well, it’s gonna be different for everyone. So what works for me isn’t gonna necessarily work for everyone else. I’m half Italian, so I have pretty dark skin, and I’ve never worn sunscreen. I’ve never had to limit myself in the sun. I may have burned maybe two or three times in my life, maybe being at the beach all day, but it’s very rare. I personally don’t have to, but I can actually speak for someone – my husband, he was very prone to burning when I met him, and over the course of the next few years, cleaning up his diet and doing all the things – you know, I had him following along with the things that I was doing.
We just spent four months in Florida, and he didn’t wear sunscreen once. We would be at the beach all day long, so that’s… if you knew his skin, that’s huge, because he would burn. His skin would peel off. What I’m trying to say is you can build yourself up. You can build your skin up to being able to tolerate longer increments of sun exposure.
What I recommend for people who are prone to burning is to just practice mindful sun exposure. Instead of slathering on sunscreen, you’re now taking responsibility for your own skin by following your body’s cues, going out in the sun for shorter periods of time. If you have to stay out in the sun, put on some clothing, put on a hat, find some shade. Just be mindful of your skin and listen to it. Most people can tell, “You know what? My skin is getting there. I think I need to get out of the sun.” So just turning that instinct back on, and then, as you are able to tolerate more, you can go out for longer periods of time, and you will find, after a year of doing that – or even less, just depends – you will be able to pretty much stay out in the sun as much as you want, and you’ll have a nice tan. I’m talking light skinned people, too. You can get a tan. A lot of it can be genetics, too. I know there’s other factors, but you can for sure turn that around.
For the really light skinned people who have a really hard time with any sun exposure, my advice would be to avoid eleven to three, generally. Try to start slow with morning and late afternoon sun, evening sun, and just get your body used to absorbing light, because we are all made to absorb light into our skin. It’s just a matter of how much.
Kat: That’s awesome. What about – I know you live in the Midwest, and we’re in Charlotte, NC, so our winters get kind of cold, too. What do you recommend? We’re gonna start heading that way. How do you make sure that you’re getting the sun exposure you need when it’s colder outside?
Rose: Well, we try to go out in the middle of the day in the winter. There is an app called Dminder. I bet you’ve heard of it. It actually tracks your sun exposure. It will tell you when the best time to go out is, and when to go out where you will receive vitamin D. I haven’t used the app. I don’t have time for it. I’m like, “Whatever, I’m just gonna go outside,” but some people have had great success with doing that, so if you really wanna be intentional, you can definitely try that.
Kat: That’s good. And there’s always vacations, right?
Landon: Well, Rose, I was gonna say, I can totally attest to what you’re saying about how your diet, and cleaning up your diet, getting rid of some of these things you were talking about, can actually lead to a better relationship with the sun. This year, I’ve really tried hard to clean up my diet and really focus on eating the right things and cutting out a lot of the bad stuff. This summer I have – I’ve traditionally worn sunscreen. I certainly won’t after this podcast, but this summer I’ve found that I haven’t had to wear any.
And I mean, we were at the beach all week a couple weeks ago, and I did not need to put on sunscreen once. I was definitely attentive to my skin and listening and if it felt too hot, I I’d get out of the sun for a little bit, but I didn’t burn at all, and it felt awesome. I got a really nice tan, and now that you’re saying the diet piece is such a big part of it, I’m totally sold on that. I totally agree with you on that.
Rose: Awesome.
Kat: Well, Rose, you are just as wonderful in person as you seem on Instagram. You’re wise and beautiful, and, I really mean it when I say that you inspire all of us. Why don’t you tell our listeners where they can learn a little more about you?
Rose: You can find me on @roseuncharted on Instagram. That’s mainly where I post. I really don’t post on YouTube anymore. I do have a channel, but I haven’t uploaded to that in a while. I also have a blog, which I also don’t upload to, so it’s mainly just Instagram. If you’re interested in more detail of this whole sun thing, I have three highlights on my Instagram page containing all of the information I talked about, but I actually get into it way deeper as far as the science goes. I wasn’t able to be as detailed today, but check that out if you’re interested in more.
Kat: Those are great, too. I’ve looked through all those a few times, just because they’re so dense with information. They’re awesome resources.
Rose: Thanks. And there’s a book that I read a couple of years ago. A guy named Andreas Moritz – it’s called Heal Yourself with Sunlight, and he was the one that exposed a lot of this, initially, to me, and I am super grateful for that book. He sadly was killed a few years ago, mysteriously. He was working on cancer cures and AIDS cures, and most of the doctors that do that aren’t allowed to continue with their work, so.
He’s amazing. And then I would also recommend looking into Ray Pete’s research. He’s more so on the side of educating on what POUFA does to the body as a whole. So it’s actually somewhat over my head, but he goes into all of that and it’s very fascinating. If you’re interested in, you know, questioning some of the claims that I made look into his research.
Landon: That’s awesome, Rose. I’m actually on your website too, roseuncharted.com, and I’m looking at your Wild Woman line, and it looks like you’ve got some really cool stuff on here. I know Kat has probably purchased most of your stuff and, I’m certainly going to be looking into it too.
Rose: Oh, thank you.
Landon: Yeah, no doubt. So just thank you so much for coming on. Like I said, thank you for being able to – I would say step out of your comfort zone, but it sounds like you’re pretty comfortable there. I appreciate who you are and I appreciate your ability to challenge us to think a little bit differently about things, especially something that’s so important as the sun, which is, you know, there for all of us to absorb, to live a healthier lifestyle. That’s what we’re all about. So Rose, we just appreciate you and we thank you so much for coming on the show.
Rose: Thank you so much for having me.
Kat: Awesome. Absolutely.
Thank you so much for tuning in today to Be Organic. We’re so excited for you to become healthier in body and stronger in spirit.
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Landon: All right, y’all. Thanks for listening. Have a great week and remember to be organic.
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