Helping People Heal Through Exploration

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Be Organic Podcast – Season 2, Episode 26. Jessica Van Antwerp: Helping People Heal Through Exploration

Let’s talk about travel! While we might not be able to travel right now, before you know it we will be off and roaming this beautiful earth. Did you know travel can be a huge part of your health & wellness journey? There is a reason why travel often leaves you rested & rest. Getting out of your natural environment can be vitally important to healing.

Our guest this week is Jessica Van Antwerp is the owner and CEO of Integral Travel, providing wellness retreats and education to teach people how to unlock the natural healing capacity of their bodies while connecting with others and the planet. She draws on over a decade of experience in the health and wellness industry, as well as the wisdom she’s gained through her personal struggles with anxiety, weight, low self-esteem, and addiction.

TIME STAMPS:

3:20 How Jessica Found Her Path (jump to section)
15:05 Process to Help Heal (jump to section)
19:52 About the Retreats (jump to section)
28:08 Opinion on True Physical Health (jump to section)
35:00 At Home Tips (jump to section)
38:46 Where to Find Integral Travel (jump to section)

Transcription Below

Landon Eckles: Be Organic listeners, hey guys, what is going on? This is Landon, your co-host and CEO of Clean Juice joined as always by my beautiful wife and co-founder of CEO Kat Eckles. We are just super excited to be chatting with y’all today.

We’re super excited because we are talking about a topic that we’ve never talked about, and it’s one that I believe that everyone who’s listening right now is going to be super pumped to hear because it’s about travel. And travel is awesome. Travel is fun. And most of us have not been traveling. So, let’s talk about travel. We are super excited to be talking about helping people heal through exploration. 

We’ve got an incredible guest for you, as always. I’m gonna allow Kat to do our introduction on.

Kat: Yes, we are so excited to have Jessica with us today. Jessica Van Antwerp is the owner and CEO of Integral Travel. They provide wellness retreats and education to teach people how to unlock the natural healing capacity of their bodies, while connecting with others and the planet. She draws on over a decade of experience in the health and wellness industry, as well as the wisdom she’s gained through her personal struggles with anxiety, weight, low self-esteem, and addiction. There is nothing more fulfilling to her than empowering people in their own well-being and helping them to heal their hearts. 

We are so excited to have Jessica on the show today. I’m ready to jump in and hear all the things you have to say and teach us about these retreats you do. So, Jessica, thank you so much for joining us today.

Jessica Van Antwerp: Thanks so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.

Kat: So excited. It’s funny that we’re doing this podcast today. I didn’t even know this was the topic until I got to the studio today. I’m a Christian and I’ve been on my own spiritual journey. But the one kind of piece of Jesus’ life that has been sticking out to me recently is when he kind of got filled with the spirit and then he went into the wilderness, he went into solitude. We saw the same biblically with Paul when he changed from Saul to Paul and he went off by himself. I just was kind of meditating on this fact and I’m like, how many people don’t do this today? How many people don’t take that time and really put the effort into developing their spiritual self.  A lot of that is through retreat and leaving their normal lives and taking themselves out of the environment that they are in to be alone with their thoughts. 

It’s just so cool we are talking about this today because that’s kind of, I’m assuming the premise of what you do. You are pulling people out of their natural environments to heal and focus on their healing and focus on their well-being. And I think it’s such an important piece of life that so many people don’t do just because of the business.

Jessica: Yeah, absolutely. 

Kat: Yeah, that really just allows people to heal and develop themselves correctly. So, I’d love to kind of hear, basically your bullets here. 

Jessica: Exactly. 

Kat: I know that you specialize in  helping people heal through exploration, and of course that’s a connection to nature, which is amazing. I’m big on grounding and all of these things. I just kind of wanna hear about your premise of what you do, why you do it, and how it really helps other people?

How Jessica Found Her Path

Jessica: Yes. As you mentioned, I own Integral Travel. Our top level offering, if you will, is wellness retreats. But we have a bunch of other offerings that lead up to a more immersive experience. 

I went into massage school in 2009, as sort of a solution to how to help people more effectively than bartending. There’s sort of like an insight to being a bartender when people just pull up a seat and tell you all their problems. All I could really do at that time was like listen, and nod my head, and offer really uneducated advice. But I wanted to have a more tangible way to help people. So, massage school was sort of the door that just opened up for me. Going into that realm, this whole world of health and wellness was opened to me, things that I had never even thought about in terms of spiritual health, emotional health, mental health, and how every layer of our being is interconnected and they communicate with one another. So, you may have some physical symptoms that are cropping up, but it may be because of some emotional thing that you haven’t healed or a spiritual thing that isn’t addressed. So, just learning about this over the last 10 years and really putting it into practice in my clients, in my private practice, has been incredible to see the growth that people have experienced. 

Our ultimate purpose and mission of Integral Travel is to heal people’s hearts. And I think that’s a lofty goal, you know? We can’t do that obviously without people’s participation and willingness and desire. We think that, with that as the ultimate goal, then so many other problems sort of solve themselves on the way down, sort of like a trickle down kind of effect. 

But we really want to empower people in their own health, help people feel good, and feel vital in their bodies to address their pain patterns, to look at their own addictions and why they may be engaging in destructive behaviors. Yeah, just take control over their own bodies, their own lives so that we don’t have to feel like a victim to our circumstances.

That point in particular, that last one being victim to one’s circumstances, was really driven home to me in 2012 when I was managing a wellness center. The irony of this story is never lost on my every time I relay my experience. I was working like 90 hours a week, setting up the wellness center, getting it up and running, and totally lost track of all my own self-care and personal health practices. And I had actually turned to drinking to relax at night, drinking coffee in the morning to wake up because I was only sleeping like six hours a night and smoking cigarettes actually to have an excuse to go outside and take some deep breaths, even though I was inhaling toxic air. That eventually led to a nervous breakdown on my part. It’s not something that I would wish on anyone. 

But that particular day, a gentleman walked into the studio that I was managing and said, “I’m here to talk to someone about teaching QiGong.” I had practiced QiGong before. We went into the studio. He gave me a little 10-minute preview, 15-minute preview or something, and used that. I dove into the practice. Practiced every single day for six months. And that is what healed me from the breakdown. 

Kat: What is QiGong for those of us that don’t know? 

Jessica: QiGong is a combination of two different words. Qi means energy and gong is cultivation or exchange. 

So most people have heard of Tai Chi. Perhaps have even seen people doing it, whether on the TV or in the park somewhere, whatever. Tai Chi is a type of QiGong. So, QiGong is a practice of energy cultivation. Essentially on a physics level, you are manipulating the vibration of your body, of your cells, and your frequency with the intent to get rid of stale emotions in your body, things that are no longer serving you. And therefore, make way for new, fresh energy from the universe to come into your body. So, this is the energy that causes plants to grow, moves the wind, moves the planets in their orbits. It’s an incredibly powerful force. Really learning how to call that into your body is incredibly healing. 

Kat: You know what is so interesting is I’m sure just like Tai Chi, they’ve probably been using this method of healing in the eastern world for longer than any of us could ever realize. Whenever I learn about these practices, it’s always just mind blowing that we’ve completely lost them in our Western society and completely don’t integrate them. They even seem hokey, they seem strange to people. But you and I can attest to many of these things I’ve done energetically as well, that, I mean, it really is life-changing and it’s something that we’re just so used to taking a pill, or taking this, or taking that, but it’s like when we can really look at these practices how much they can impact us, it’s crazy. They have been going on for years, and years, and years, and centuries. We have just totally lost sight of them. 

Jessica: Millennia, yeah, absolutely. I mean, again, kind of going back to physics, because I like to be science-based in my approach to health and wellness. I understand that QiGong, because it’s a foreign word and a foreign practice to most of us in the western culture, can be a little strange and difficult to wrap your mind around. When you think of it from that atomic, and even subatomic level of just kind of changing the vibrations of your cells, that’s what those pills are doing also. Those pills you are taking, even if you don’t take supplements or any kind of pharmaceuticals, the food you eat is changing the vibration of your body. You are becoming one with the food and the food is becoming one with you. 

With QiGong, we are just sort of like bypassing the intermediary of this external thing, changing our vibrational frequency and learning how to do that on our own. 

Kat: It’s so true. Even when you talk about food, what we do at Clean Juice, we do all these organic smoothies, organic juices, and that was interesting for me as well as I studied food. Food as it relates to frequencies and energies and when you are looking at organic kale, organic ginger, or cucumber or even fruit, they are all high frequency, high vibration foods. When you are looking at fast food and processed food, and meats that are laid in with pesticides and antibiotics, they’re all low frequency foods. So, when you say that, you become your food, it’s like when you are eating high frequency organic fruits and vegetables, your whole body is operating at a high frequency and a high capacity as to when you are lowering yourself down with all the fast foods, processed foods as most Americans are. That’s just setting the stage to not be able to heal and operate correctly. I can relate to what we do with the frequencies and how important that is. 

Jessica: Exactly. Even beyond that physical level of the vibration, you can change your diet and be eating all the high vibration foods, right? But if you’re not dealing with the stress, the internal reaction to your circumstances, then there are still some other forces at play within your body that are changing the way your body functions. 

Kat: Absolutely. 

Jessica: You know, stress causes the body to function in a different way. The focus of the eyes changes. The blood moves away from the core, digestion, out to the limbs, so you can run away. This was all programmed when we were going to be eaten by a saber tooth tiger on the plains or something like that. That’s just the physiological way that the body functions. It’s not focused on healing when you’re in a state of nervous system activation because it doesn’t know if you’re gonna survive the night or even the next five minutes when you feel a threat to your life.

But we exist in these perpetual states of sort of artificial threat of the looming deadline from our boss, this thing, or just the mountain of the to do list that is weighing down on us that we just don’t seem to have enough time in the day to do everything for everyone. That again, affects the way that your body changes. Not only eating the high vibration foods but then internally performing some alchemy so that you are more in control of the way that your body is functioning. Do you have conscious control of shifting out of that state of fight or flight and into the rest and digest mode? I think that is one of the things that we focus on at Integral Travel, really downshifting the nervous system activation, again, to activate the natural healing capacity of the body.

Kat: That’s so important. I’m not sure people even realize that they are living in this fight or flight. I know that I haven’t done it so many times. And sometimes, I remember when we were starting our company, it was exciting. We were having so much success. We were going, going, going. There were a lot of great things happening. On the tail-end of that, I’m exhausted. I’m running myself down and don’t realize how much restoration I really need to be able to deal with these things correctly. 

Then you have the whole other added element of all these traumas that all of us are dealing with womb traumas to childhood traumas and all these things that our body has held onto for so long. And we’re hitting adulthood and we’re going 90. We haven’t even dealt with the stuff that happened to us when we were two and three years old and our body holds on to that. I think there is so much healing that everybody needs to do there with themselves and their spiritual self. 

I love what you do because it’s just honoring that in a way. You know, it’s honoring to say, “I need to slow down. I need to slow my body down. I need to slow my mind and my spirit down so I can really acknowledge not just my day to day but all of the things in the past that happened and I can release them so I can move on in a healthy way.” I just think it’s really, really special. I love that. 

Jessica: Thank you. You got it. 

Kat: I know you talked about your nervous breakdown and I appreciate you being open and sharing with that. I guess I would love to hear how just kind of nature and being in nature, your process helped to heal things like that nervous breakdown, anxiety, and addiction? Just the kind of success stories that you have seen on your retreats? 

Process to Help Heal

Jessica: Well, nature in itself has healing properties. We’re just beginning to understand that from a scientific point of view. Really since the industrial revolution is when human beings started becoming more and progressively more disconnected from nature. Like we used to live in rhythm, in cycle with the seasons, you know, like being mostly outdoors and having sort of temporary shelters in nomadic days. And really following the weather, eating seasonally, eating what’s available to us in our local area. 

I think going back to that ancient wisdom, just like you were talking about Qigong as a practice that’s been going on for millennia. This is really like ancient and sort of basic stuff. We have become so enamored with modern technology and the modern way of life that we’ve lost track of that ancient wisdom. There are studies being done that are showing that being in nature, spending a two or three-day weekend in nature versus two or three-day weekend in a city has an effect on your T-cell count. These are your immune cells that actually fight off infection that lasts for up to two to three months after you get back from that weekend. There are all sorts of healing properties that nature can imbue into our own bodies to make us feel more healthy. So, being in nature and connecting with the natural environment at any one of our destinations is an integral part of each of our trips, each of our retreats. 

One of the most profound transformations I’ve seen, well, there’s two stories. One is of a gentleman who was a student in the massage school where I teach, and he went on one of the retreats. He was just sort of like a grumpy guest. Nothing was ever good. He was always sort of sour about everything. He had trouble getting along with a lot of other people in the classroom. He was a really challenging student. He went on one of our retreats to Thailand. He came back an entirely different person. He underwent an incredible transformation during the journey, which is challenging. I’m not going to sugar coat it and say, you just come back to this light being. But you have to go through some darkness to get to the lightness sometimes in terms of confronting the way you’ve been, the way that you’ve treated people in the past. So, he definitely went through a few dark days of the soul during this retreat and came out the other side. He is so kind, so loving, and joyful. He has a smile on his face. Every time you see him, he wants to give you a big hug. It’s just amazing. That’s why we do what we do. 

And then there was another woman who also went on one of our Thailand journeys in a different year and she was struggling with an addiction to opioids for pain. So, she was in pretty constant chronic pain. And even over there, we had to break away from the group to take her back to the hospital to get her prescription refilled. But by the end of the journey, she had gone like five days without any of the painkillers. These trips to Thailand, basically we’re living outside. We sleep, depending on the destination, we were sleeping in huts or cabins. They are all open areas. There is generally no air conditioning in the places that we go in Thailand. So, we feel the heat of nature when it’s hot. We feel the rain when it’s rainy. We are very immersed in the local environment. She has also undergone a similar transformation as the first gentleman that I was talking about. She has become such a joyous being, is way more empowered in her own health, managing her pain, and way more motivated to help others also to seek out natural solutions and kick that opioid addiction. 

About the Retreats

Kat: That’s amazing. Tell me a little bit about these retreats just fundamentally. How many days are they there? And you mentioned Thailand, do you usually go to those types of locations? Where are some of the other ones that you have? 

Jessica: The number of days of the retreats vary based on the destination. We have some domestic retreats here in the States that are just four days, so sort of a long weekend. When we go overseas, we like to spend at least a week, if not more. Those two people actually went on very long journeys in Thailand, they went on like five week journeys in Thailand. We are sort of shifting away from that length of retreat. That was also at a time when we were teaching Thai massage and they were both there to learn Thai massage and how to do that for other people. Now, we are focusing more on just general health and wellness practices because there is such a need for it in our modern education system. We are not really taught how to take care of ourselves, even though we spend our entire lives in these bodies. We’re sort of trying to teach people what they may have never learned to begin with. And also, of course, invite people to share their own wisdom that they have learned through their personal care journey over the years, a bit of a digression. 

We are going to Baja this fall. We have also been to Scotland, Morocco, Costa Rica. Once COVID slows down, looking at doing a retreat at an eco village in the center of Kenya. Really, just sort of all over the world. If you ask me where I wanna go, I’d be like, “Where don’t I want to go?” I’ll go there. 

Kat: That’s so amazing. Love that. And I think, like you said, just connecting with the world, the nature, and the different pieces is healing in and of itself. I love that. 

What does a typical day look like there? Are you doing talk therapy, yoga, what can one expect when they are on one of these retreats? 

Jessica: Great question. The day generally follows a pretty easy flow. It’s not super rigorous in terms of the time spent on this activity or that activity. But we generally start the day with some sort of movement practice, like yoga to just wake up the body. That is before breakfast. Then we have breakfast. To do an activity, generally an outside activity in nature, wherever we are in the morning, come back for lunch, and then a more mellow movement practice, probably like a QiGong practice which is just slow, mindful movement, coordinated with breath in the middle of the day. And then afternoons are reserved for either free time or wellness treatment. So, we always like to incorporate some treatments in each one of our retreats. So, whether it’s massage or acupuncture or reiki session, cranial sacral. We’ve even had astrologers come and sign on to be part of the trip and provide astrology readings. Personal nutrition consultations. That is focused in the afternoon. And if you’re not receiving one of the treatments, you have some free time. And then, dinner. There is always an evening discussion that ties in sort of the activities that we were doing for the day and how they relate to our health and wellness. We usually finish with an evening meditation. 

There are various little wellness kinds of chats throughout the day that ties in the activities we are doing on how our body’s natural capacity to heal itself. Massage for example, just being the way in nature has positive effects on one’s health. So, do touch. Touch has been shown to increase all of the happy hormones, serotonin, dopamine, decrease cortisol and adrenaline and those sorts of stress hormones. It decreases blood pressure, it decreases the respiratory rate, and just helps the body shift into that parasympathetic nervous system state, that rest and digest state. Every single one of the activities that is incorporated in the retreat has been chosen specifically for its effect on the nervous system.

And then educating our participants about those things. It’s super easy to go home and take a 10 minute walk around your neighborhood and be in nature, under the trees, and breathing that fresh air. It’s easy to incorporate a little bit more touch into your daily life. The goal is that people learn tools and techniques that they can take back home with them and incorporate into their daily lives. 

Kat: That’s awesome. I imagine there is a big piece of just rest that’s important with all this. It’s like sometimes we are going, going, going. We are jam-packing our schedules and our days. I love that there is movement and learning, but it’s also just probably rest and reflection and reminding your body what it feels like to not be in a constant state of what’s next. 

Jessica: Exactly, exactly. The jungle yoga retreat that we go to in Thailand, there is no internet there. There are no phones, no internet, no TV. So, you just get this respite from the constant pings and dings and notifications that are coming out of whatever device or perhaps even multiple devices, you know, as we go throughout our days. It’s really fascinating, the first few days to witness other people and experience it myself. It’s sort of like a technological addiction of reaching for your phone because it’s a habit to check whatever notification, check your email, check to see if anything came through on social media. And to see how people really slow down over those first few days. And then, on day four, it’s like everyone is really there. They are super present. And then that’s when the magic really starts to happen. We connect with each other as human beings without that distraction of the phone. It’s a really special time. 

I think that taking a vacation is different from going on a retreat, right? Taking a vacation you can often fall into the same trap of that go, go, go, do, do, do, cram in as much as you, particularly if you are in an international destination where you are probably not going to get an opportunity to go again. You just have to see all the things. You have to go see the Eiffel Tower, go to the Louvre, and all the spots, you know, in Paris. You come back from your vacation and you are just as tired, if not more tired than when you left. 

So, yeah, the retreats are really about slowing down. It’s about depth of experience as opposed to breadth of experience. 

Kat: I love that. That’s so great. I know that you believe like I do, so much of physical health has to do with emotional, mental, and spiritual health. I know we have kind of touched on this a little bit. But maybe explain in your own words, because I always try to accentuate that on this podcast when I have anybody that comes on that talks about this correlation just because I truly believe it’s so important. I believe it’s probably the most important piece of health, and it’s probably talked about the least. You really have to deal with this spiritual, emotional, mental side of yourself if you wanna see true physical health. So, I would love to just kind of hear your thoughts on that and any opinion that you have.

Opinion on True Physical Health

Jessica: Yeah, absolutely. I’m very sensitive to skepticism around the interconnectedness of these layers of being. So, I like to always address that sort of first. For people who are still learning about how mental things, emotional things show up in the physical body, just think about when you’re nervous about something. The nervousness is an emotion, right, that shows up in your body in a specific way. Maybe you sweat a lot, maybe your palms sweat, maybe you get butterflies in your stomach. These are physical manifestations of an emotion that you’re experiencing. Or if you’re angry, maybe you get hot, maybe you get red. Like there are things that are happening in your body because of an emotion that you’re feeling. So, then it expresses itself through that way. 

I sort of interpret things through the lens of Chinese medicine given my background in shiatsu, which is a specific style of body work based in Chinese medicine, the same system of medicine as acupuncture. It is a super beautiful system. Even if we do grasp this concept of the interconnectedness between the body, the mind, the spirit, and all levels of emotions and mental activity, it doesn’t always give us how things are interrelated or give us an understanding of what to do about it. So, Chinese medicine for me, through the lens of the five elements, has helped me understand the correlations, the mental correlations that show up in our bodies, the emotional correlations that show up in our bodies, and then how to address them from sort of an elemental perspective.

I know we are sort of getting into heavy theory here. The elements in Chinese medicine, fire, metal, water, wood, and Earth. If you think about water putting out fire, that’s a controlling elemental relationship. Some things that are associated with the fire element are your vivacity that is coming out through your tongue. Like actors have a lot of fire elements in them. Teachers also have a lot of fire elements because they get up in front of a group of people and are teaching things. If you have an issue with stuttering, something with your speech, related to the fire element, stuttering, a lisp. Water element correlations to kind of draw that under control to sort of tame the fire, if you will. So, water element being associated with deep psychological states. Like if you think about like waters running deep. There are all these expressions in our modern lingo that sort of allude to the elements. And to their wisdom and power. So, slowing down when you speak sort of may be a way to address the stuttering. 

I might be going off on a really unrelated tangent here. I think it’s fascinating. And for me, it just brought everything into focus. It was like, oh, okay. Learning about all the correlations of all these elements helped me, you know, take that frame, if you will, turn it and put it into between myself and my life and all the symptoms I was dealing with or whatever, and be it like brought everything into focus. It was like, this thing is related to that thing. And that thing is related to that thing. It’s all this one system. It’s not a separate symptom over here, this separate thing over here, and this separate thing over here.

Maybe a simpler example. The wood element in Chinese medicine consists of the gallbladder and the liver organ networks. It’s associated with decision making. Well, gallbladder specifically is associated with decision-making. And it runs that meridian, that energy pathway in the body runs down the side of the body to the hips. So, oftentimes hip issues are associated with some gallbladder sort of issue. 

My husband had a double hip replacement a number of years ago. He was in a previous marriage also and that was not going well. They had talked about divorce, but they weren’t, you know, really convinced that that was the right way to go. Well, after he had his double hip replacement, they made the decision to get a divorce. The physical can also affect the other layers also. So, maybe his hip issues were due to this like indecision, not choosing a stance, deciding what direction to go, and it manifested into this intense hip pain. Once he addressed the hip pain, then all of a sudden the decision became easier. 

Kat: It really is all related. Again, it’s like something that they’ve understood in Eastern medicine for long before we came in and almost eradicated it out of our normal vocabulary and normal culture in America. It’s sad because I think it’s just an important piece of well-being and health for everyone. I just really applaud people like you that are bringing it to the surface and talking about it and educating and creating the space to honor that. 

Jessica: Well, thank you for allowing me to share it with you and your listeners. 

Kat: So, before we go, what are some things that maybe people can do at home if they don’t have the capacity whether it’s time or finances to go on one of these retreats? What is a suggestion for someone to do at home to make a change in their daily life to improve it and connect with nature? 

At Home Tips

Jessica: Well, I definitely think that going for walks is a great way to just connect with nature, slow down. You know, I think a lot of times we associate the need for exercise and movement with things like hardcore, cardio intense, interval training, something where you sweat. But really just movement in general is so good for your body. Gentle moving helps pump your lymph which is basically your body’s waste disposal system. It gets your blood flowing. It helps you breathe a little more deeply. And it gives you the added benefit of spending that time outside so you can get some fresh air. I know there are some air quality issues around different parts of the country right now with a lot of the fires going on in the west. But you can still get the effect of the greenery, being outside, and moving your body. So, taking walks is a really easy and free one. 

Again, incorporating touch, however that may be. If you don’t have the financial resources to get a massage for example, even just start incorporating it within your home life, with your loved ones, your children, your spouse. Just be more conscious of touching one another. That gives you the added benefit of syncing your nervous systems. Your nervous system has a concept called entrainment where the frequencies in which they are vibrating may be dissonant and different at first, but if you stay in contact for 10 to 20 seconds they sort of sync up. Then it just enables an easier flow with your partner, your loved ones. So, incorporating touch. 

Drinking good water. I mean, enough water I think is a challenge for many Americans. But drinking good quality water. If you are just drinking tap water, you’re actually ingesting a credit card-sized worth of plastic every single week because of all the microplastics that are in our water supply. So, good filtered water. Please do not use a one-time use disposable water bottles. But a reusable water filter that you can just attach to your tap. 

Integral Travel, we also have a lot of resources for every financial kind of tier. So, we have free meditations that will help you ramp down out of that sympathetic nervous system activation state down into the parasympathetic rest and digest. We have a whole suite of those free meditations on our website. I also teach two online Qigong classes every week by donation. So, there’s no financial obligation to participate. I just want to share this work with people because I truly credit it with saving my life and helping me heal from my nervous breakdown. And it’s an incredible and powerful practice. So, those classes are available by donation. We are also about to launch a suite of cleanses that will help. I have an intro to QiGong course. You know, there are a lot of resources through the Integral Travel website as well that people can just start doing on a daily basis, at home, on their own. 

And then if they want that more immersive experience, they can kind of work their way up to a retreat. 

Kat: I love that. So, good. Well, Jessica, thank you so much for joining us today. We’re so excited to chat with you and like I said just learn more. I really honor and appreciate what you do. 

If our listeners would like to learn more about you, where would they go? Let’s just share your website and any social media, anything like that where they can learn more? 

Where to Find Integral Travel

Jessica: Yeah, thanks so much for having me on, Kat. It’s really been a delight to chat with you. I really respect and honor the education that you’re helping to provide to people. We all have a similar goal in mind, which is health, wellness, and feeling good. 

So, if people want to connect with us, www.IntegralTravel.com is the website. They can sign up for the newsletter. We’re always sending out the latest things that we are learning about health and wellness, in addition to our latest offerings and products.

We are on Instagram @Integral_Travel. And we are on Facebook as well @IntegralTravel. We do have a YouTube channel as well with all sorts of videos of little stretches, pain patterns, and we are constantly coming up with new videos, new meditations and like to share those with the world. Lots of different ways to connect. 

Kat: I love it. Well, again, thank you so much for joining us today. I’m excited for our listeners to learn more and I just wish you all the best with this venture and just everything you’re doing. Just know we are rooting for you and really respect the healing work that you’re doing. So thank you for sharing with us today and best of luck as you move forward.

Thank you so much for tuning in today to Be Organic. We’re so excited for you to become healthier in body and stronger in spirit. 

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Landon: All right, y’all. Thanks for listening. Have a great week and remember to Be Organic.

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Kat: Just a quick legal disclaimer, we are not doctors. While we absolutely love discussing wellness nutrition with our expert guest, you should always talk to your physician or other medical professional before making any dietary or lifestyle changes. They can assess your specific needs and come up with a plan that works best for you.

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