Be Organic Podcast – Season 2, Episode 29. Matt Maruca: Sunlight, Mitochondria Function, Red Light Therapy, and Circadian Rhythm.
As a young kid, Matt struggled constantly with debilitating headaches, allergies, and gut issues. He spent years trying Western medical drugs, Eastern diets and herbs, and modern diets and supplements to find healing, but nothing worked.All these treatments did was mask the symptoms.
Four years ago, he learned about mitochondria, and everything changed and now he’s on the show with us today to teach us about mitochondria, Ra Optics, and how we can reset our circadian rhythm.
TIME STAMPS
1:34 What mitochondria is & how it affects the body (jump to section)
5:20 How important mitochondria are to our health (jump to section)
11:05 How to know if your mitochondria are damaged (jump to section)
17:04 The importance of sunlight & light for mitochondria (jump to section)
18:04 The circadian rhythm (jump to section)
25:29 How much sunlight you should get on a daily basis (jump to section)
35:54 Red light therapy (jump to section)
45:25 Ra Optics (jump to section)
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Transcription Below
Landon: Be Organic, listeners. Hey guys, what is going on? This is Landon, your co-host and co-founder and CEO of Clean Juice. So happy to be on another show with you guys here on our Be Organic podcast, as always powered by Clean Juice. We’ve got an awesome guest for you today that I’m gonna introduce in a minute.
The title of our show is “Better Light and Better Sleep Equals a Better Life.” We’re gonna jump into that. So, I am joined by Matt Maruca and he has got an awesome company and a really cool background. So I’m gonna tell you guys a little bit about Matt:
As a young kid, Matt struggled constantly with debilitating headaches, allergies, and gut issues. He spent years trying Western medical drugs, Eastern diets and herbs, and modern diets and supplements to find healing, but nothing really worked for him. All these treatments really did was mask the symptoms. Four years ago, Matt learned about mitochondria and everything changed. And now he’s on the show with us today to teach us about mitochondria, his awesome company RA Optics which we’re gonna get into, and how we can reset our circadian rhythm. So, Matt, welcome in. Thank you so much for being on Be Organic.
Matt: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Landon: So I said the word mitochondria… Some of our listeners may have never heard that word, or they probably haven’t heard it since high school biology.
Matt: Right.
Landon: So talk to us a little bit about mitochondria, what it is and how does it affect the body?
What is the Mitochondria?
Matt: Yeah, so the mitochondria are the cellular engines that basically power all of our cells. And so, you know, as biologists came to understand life and understand that life is composed of cells, you know, they started to go deeper and say, “Well, what makeup cells?” You know, there are all these things inside of cells called organelles, which are little, let’s say compartments or pieces that carry out different functions within every single cell. And one of these organelles, one of the most significant of all of them are mitochondria. Mitochondria is plural; mitochondrion is singular.So basically, what they do is they allow us to take food from the environment and get energy from it by reacting it with oxygen. So they’re sort of like a little controlled combustion engine — you could think of it like that. It’s actually exactly accurate. In other words, like a little fire that’s under control.
So the parallel is that fire uses a hydrogen-based fuel source, like logs or wood or paper or gasoline, and it reacts that hydrogen with oxygen from the air and that makes water. And that releases a ton of energy as in the case of a fire, you know, a bonfire or an explosion caused by lighting gasoline on fire, et cetera. The rate of reaction is different there, but it’s the same concept. And in our cells, it’s the same thing. We take in hydrogen-based fuel, which is either a fat or a carbohydrate from some place in the environment, and then we react it with oxygen from the air to make water. And then that hydrates our cells.
But that process is exothermic, meaning it releases energy. And that’s what allows us to make ATP, which basically is sort of the energy currency in ourselves. For people who wanna go a little bit deeper – the reason we’re able to gain energy from that reaction is because initially the water that we’re actually making already existed on earth. And, through the process of photosynthesis light strikes the water and different organisms, like plants, actually break the water molecule. They take the hydrogen and the oxygen, separate them even though they like being together, and put them in a suspended state where they’re separated only because the energy and the environment is allowing them to stay separate. And then that’s a way of storing energy. That’s basically how energy is stored in plants and in animals in fat, for example. So basically, what we’re doing is we are undoing that reaction and the energy is stored in the electrons specifically of hydrogen they’re in an elevated energy state.
And when we put them through this process, basically, we’re just releasing that energy that’s there, which is actually just sunlight energy. So all fire is just re-releasing sunlight energy that’s stored in a carbohydrate – in a plant. And all human metabolism is also just re-releasing stored sunlight energy in a food source, whether it’s a carbohydrate in a plant or a fat.
But that gets to the point of The Light Diet, which is kind of what we’re talking about here today. Light is so important because it just shows you that all energy that we’re using in biology fundamentally goes back to sunlight.
Landon: Absolutely. Well, thanks for expanding on that. I think I understood about one third of what you said, and I appreciate-
Matt: OK, well, let’s get into it. Let’s get into it.
Landon: Well, you know, I think basically what I heard is that mitochondria is really important to our health. Right? And I think you’re even quoted saying that health is literally a synonym for how well our mitochondria is working. So just expand on that and tell us how important the mitochondria is to our overall wellness.
How important mitochondria are to our health
Matt: Yeah, absolutely. So maybe without making it so scientific, the engine of our body is like the engine of a car. If it works well, then we’re gonna work really, really well. If it doesn’t work well then it actually is not so important, necessarily, what food that we’re putting into it because the engine can’t burn that fuel.So another way of saying that is: if someone had a car and their engine’s working really, really well they can put in regular gas or they can put in premium gas. It’s probably not gonna make the biggest difference, at least right away. In the long term it will have an impact, for sure. And so the fuel source is important and that’s worth considering in the case of food, food is really important for our health.
However, in the case of a car with a bad engine: the spark plugs are all worn out. You go try to drive the car and you put in regular gas and it’s not working. And then you say, “Well, let me try premium gas.” You put the premium gas in the tank. You try to run the car and it’s still not working.
And so then you say, “Shoot, like, there’s gotta be something else that’s going on besides just the gas because regular/premium, it didn’t make a difference.” So you take the car to the mechanic. The mechanic says, “Oh, well your engine’s not working. That’s why it doesn’t matter what kind of gas you’re using. You gotta fix the engine.”
And so that’s why the mitochondria are so important to our body – because they are our engines. They’re processing our fuel and allowing us to stay alive. And if they don’t work – so another way to sort of elaborate on that is – if they don’t work at all, then we die. So there’s this poison called cyanide that soldiers would wear in a little capsule on their neck, in case they got captured in war, and they would bite it and it would kill them immediately. ‘Cause cyanide basically blocks the flow of electrons in the mitochondria, which is how we generate that energy that I was talking about before.
Landon: Wow.
Matt: And so, yeah, you’re dead if the mitochondria stopped working. Immediately, within seconds.
Landon: Wow.
Matt: So they are our life energy. Right? And where it gets really, really interesting is there’s actually research that has been done by the leading researchers in the world in biology and in mitochondria that have basically found that when the mitochondria decline in function even 10% or 20% – when they go below a certain threshold to function – what happens is certain systems in the body start shutting off or declining in function. So if you think about a city, an electrical grid. If there’s a blackout you have no power. That would be the equivalent of an entire system in the body going down and someone dying basically.
But you can also have a brown out, where there’s still some current running on the wire but it’s just not enough to power, you know, the whole city or to power heavy duty electrical equipment, for example. And in our body, the basic functions that are like the light bulbs and the things that don’t take so much energy that are easier to stay on are things like our heartbeat. You know, the core essential functions of our body that we need to have going. Now, the things that would be like the heavy duty machinery, like fax machines and so on, that might not be able to work with a brown out are the things like our neocortex, the human brain is a highly developed piece of evolution that requires a lot of energy. And if it doesn’t have that lot of energy, then it’s not gonna work.
There are other examples. What these researchers have shown – specifically a guy from the children’s hospital of Philadelphia and University of Pennsylvania, which is actually my home city – funny enough, Philadelphia. He has shown that in the case of this brownout, so to speak, in our body with the mitochondria not working so well… if it’s happening in the brain in a developing child, that leads to the phenotype, a.k.a. the disease of, autism or some kind of developmental disease. If it’s in an older person, if they’re having a mitochondrial dysfunction in their brain, that can lead to degenerative diseases. For example, neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, et cetera. If it happens in someone’s heart, they have heart disease. If it happens in someone’s pancreas, they have diabetes. If it happens in, you know, their liver, then they have all sorts of liver issues. It’s basically system based.
But really the issue is that the mitochondria throughout the body are failing. So that’s, I think, a good elaboration on why they’re so important because they are our engine and the better they work the better we work. And if they don’t work the way they’re designed, then we have this dysfunction or disease that’s occurring in the body.
Landon: Gotcha. Well, super helpful. Definitely appreciate the layman’s terms ’cause I, sir, am a layman. So I appreciate that a lot. Definitely helping me understand this a little bit more. So I mean, really you can make the argument that all chronic diseases are mitochondrial, right. Meaning that they manifest when the mitochondria are severely damaged.
Looping back to, you know, your intro when you were kind of going through all these things with the debilitating headaches and kind of all these, you know, different health issues that you were having. It sounds like your mitochondria was damaged. Right? And you were having all these issues with your mitochondria. So I guess, you know, the questions from there for me are like, how did you know it was your mitochondria and how, if I’m suffering with some stuff, how do I know if my mitochondria is damaged or not?
How to know if your mitochondria are damaged
Matt: Yeah, so it’s, uh, it’s a good question. There’s really not as much measurement as would be ideal, because the science is super young. So people are starting to build out ways of testing the mitochondria and looking into it. I was having all those issues as was mentioned in the bio. And, you know, I was like a 13, 12 to 13-year-old going into high school with these gut issues, allergies, headaches, and I just didn’t feel well.And really, we can make it really simple. Like, the general thing we’re all taught is that these diseases people are having today are genetic, you know. So if you have a disease, it’s genetic. It’s caused by some issue that you inherit from your mom and your dad in your genes. They’ve looked over the last 50 or 60 years since they discovered DNA, and they thought that that was gonna be, like, the thing. Every disease: “Oh my gosh, it must be in the genes, because the genes direct life.” But in reality, they haven’t found the diseases in the genes. None. Like, very little. In fact, you can have an identical twin, you know, identical twins – one who gets some disease and the other who doesn’t. Or one who lives until 80 and one who lives until 50. So the difference isn’t in the genes. The difference is actually in their environment. And so the mitochondria are really just sort of a mediator of the environment. They’re a reflection of the environment we’re living in because within the body, because they’re the engine, they’re sort of the part that is most involved with the environment.
In other words, if you think of a car, like, the seats inside of the car or the metal under the car, are these things they’re not really as prone to damage as the engine. Like 90% of the time the car has issues, it’s the engine. Because there’s so much moving and so much happening. Right?
And that’s the same with the mitochondria. They’re doing so much all the time that it’s more likely that there are gonna be issues there than anywhere else. And so basically the only way I really came to understand was, “Well, these issues weren’t genetic so they must be coming from something environmental.”
And then, based on the research, you know, I can just understand that that is mediated through the mitochondria. And then, you know, we can talk a little bit later on or we can get into it now – however you’d like – I started to learn about what kind of things actually impact the mitochondria that are things that we can actually change. You know, that was really interesting.
Landon: Yeah. No, let’s definitely talk about that. I’m super interested in it. You know, with the car analogy kind of relating back to the human body. You know, some people try to diet and exercise their way out of health issues, but they find that that’s not enough. Right? So like, I would love to hear, you know, your more thoughts on this from you.
Matt: Yeah, yeah. So I mean, diet and exercise are sort of like the go-to approach for health today. And it makes sense because that’s what we’ve been taught and that’s all we really have come to know. And even so much so that in the alternative health world, where we’re a little bit more advanced than just, “Oh, you have a disease. Take this drug,” right? Even in the alternative world, this is still sort of the foremost idea of how to achieve health. You know, improve your diet, improve your nutrition, improve your supplementation, and go out and train. That is really useful for many people. And often actually solves most people’s issues.
Landon: Right.
Matt: Now, in my case, it really didn’t. And the interesting thing- you know, I actually have some friends who are functional medicine doctors who, you know, treat patients. And they’ve said that in their training and in their practice, they’ve seen that there are certain people who- you know like older people let’s say, who respond really well to certain IV drips and certain functional medicine treatments with all these targeted, you know, supplementation regimens and all this stuff. And they see actually great responses from these elderly people, oftentimes. But then you take a kid who’s like 15-16 years old and addicted to video games, always inside, never in the sun. And you put them on some kind of protocol that looks like, based on their data, that it should work. And it does nothing.
And so, sort of the thing that they were, as a medical doctor, attributing this to based on their research as they recounted it to me was that probably the kids who are living this toxic indoor lifestyle – super pale, super sickly, sort of, you know, their eyes are glazed over when you look at them, they don’t really have great communication, social skills.
They’re having really damaged mitochondria function because of this indoor environment. And so no matter how much of the nutrients you give them, no matter how much of these things you give them, their body’s innate capacity to function and to heal is damaged. And so they can’t really utilize all that stuff.
Whereas the person who’s 60 or 70, they grew up in a healthy environment. They live a relatively healthy lifestyle. Cause they’re maybe just not on a computer all day. Maybe they go for walks or they spend time with their friends. They’re happy, you know, whatever they found some fulfillment in. And they just needed a little kick.
So all those nutrients and this and that actually worked, I found that to be fascinating, right. That the body has this innate capacity to heal this innate energy, which the mitochondria are sort of a key piece of. And by living a healthy lifestyle, doing all these things that I wanna get into, we just function kind of well often, and we don’t get sick, we don’t have disease.
The importance of sunlight & light for mitochondria
So the things that really interested me, and this is kind of in the title of the show, was light. This was like my intro point to mitochondria. I was reading a ton and reading from these genius bloggers and doctors and neurosurgeons talking about these subjects. And one of the things that one person in particular was really honing in on was the importance of sunlight and light for mitochondria. And the reason is because, well, the body is this really complex system, right? There’s so much going on in the body and it’s so far beyond diet and exercise. And so, for example, to simplify health just down to diet and exercise goes back to the car analogy. It’s like saying, “Well, your car’s not working so well. Forget about the engine, the car’s not working so well. We just gotta put in premium gas instead of regular. And we just gotta go out and drive it a little bit more.” Is that gonna fix the car? Absolutely not. That’s not gonna fix any broken engine. But again, that’s limiting the human being just to the whole thing and not, not really looking a little bit deeper, we actually have to look, “Okay, why might our engines not be working so well. How can we actually heal that?” And then we can take the most advantage of the benefits of exercise and the benefits of a clean diet.So getting into light and why this is important for the mitochondria. And by the way, if you have any questions, feel free to interrupt me at any point. So. getting into light. Our body has this thing called a circadian rhythm, which is a fancy- schmancy science term for a biological clock or an internal clock. So our body has these sort of clocks that – shocker – they run the length of 24 hours, which is a day, you know?
Landon: Right.
Matt: And so, we can kind of very intuitively understand the reason for that is that the most profound change in our environment on a regular basis is the fact that at one point of our existence it is extremely bright. There’s this thing called the sun that’s shining on all of us and it’s very bright and very intense. And it kills – it’s toxic for – most bacteria. We’re mostly made of bacterial cells. So it’s, it’s something that’s a really significant environmental factor that needs to be accounted for. And then the other part of the time it’s not there and it gets a lot colder. And so that’s something also that needs to be accounted for. And so that’s why we have this circadian rhythm.
If we just got rid of the concepts that we all know of the earth being a sphere and spinning around the sun- although some people disagree with that whole thing, but that’s a different conversation, you know, let’s not go there. So basically, if we get rid of that concept, like if you just took earth as “we are here” like, it’d be kind of interesting. Like, wow, it gets light and then it gets dark and then it gets light and then it gets dark and forget about spinning around the sun and rotating around our own axis. That’s something that’s really significant. And you, you know, we actually sleep and then we get up, and then we sleep, and then we get up, and then we sleep, and we get up. And so basically that is the way. One could say that life, when it evolved, was actually constantly asleep. You know bacteria, they’re just kind of- yes, they’re getting nutrients from the environment, et cetera- but they’re not awake in the way that we consider ourselves or other animals awake.
Landon: Right.
The circadian rhythm
Matt: And so what we could say is that we actually evolved wakefulness in the sense that we consider it. And we had to maintain some period of what we call sleep for repair and regeneration. Which is the state that, you know as I’m saying, the majority of living organisms remain in for all of their existence. This sort of more rest and digest regenerative period. So we evolve this sort of wakefulness, which is a pretty cool thing evolutionarily. Because it really allows us to go out and have a sort of higher chance of getting nutrients and, you know, basically doing the things that life does.So that’s what this circadian rhythm came into existence for: to sort of allow us to keep track of this regularly changing environmental cycle. Because, long story short, organisms that can better track their environment and changes have better ability to survive in those environments. And so back to the mitochondria and this whole story about health: the mitochondria are really impacted by this circadian rhythm.
In other words, they depend on it and they need to have light from the sun, basically, during the day to function optimally. Doesn’t have to be like a bright, sunny Southern California day, summer day. Just some light, which is always there even on a gray, cloudy day. Because people ask, “How do I get sun when it’s gray and cloudy?” There’s still light, usually. Unless you’re in northern Norway for periods of the year, right? So they need light during the day, but they also need time to regenerate and heal at night. And so, if I had to say like one of the best ways you could harm people’s mitochondria- not that it’s intentionally done, but that one could harm their mitochondria without noticing it- what I would recommend is that people use an artificial light source to stimulate their body to stay awake beyond the time when the sun has departed. And keeping in mind that the sun is sort of our power source. Right? Even though we use food for energy as well. When the sun is present, it’s powering our biology on many levels beyond what we can just get from food by itself.
And that’s a very interesting conversation we can touch on a little bit, but basically the sun is like a supercharger for life. It’s like the best multivitamin ever. And every single cell, every single biomolecule in the body, absorbs certain wavelengths of light and they require a certain amount of that to function at their highest level.
More isn’t always better. If you get too much you’ll sunburn and, you know, you could die if you get too much sun. We’re like a painting and the sun is the painter. The rays are like the brush. But we’re a dynamic painting. In other words, we require our stores of these wavelengths of light to constantly be topped off, to function at the highest level.
And so what I would recommend people do if they want to disrupt their mitochondria, disrupt their cellular energy production and cause these issues. I would say use an artificial light bulb or something that triggers the brain to keep secreting the stress hormones to stay awake once the sun’s gone. Because what you’re gonna do is stress the hell outta the body because it’s trying to stay awake and function when it doesn’t have the power from the sun to do so anymore.
But that’s what we’re doing today. We have all these artificial lights we turn on when the sun goes down to trick our brain to keep making stress hormones, like cortisol, to stay awake when we don’t really have the power from the sun to keep staying awake. And then the other side of the coin, I would say, don’t go outside at all especially in the morning. Avoid morning sunlight, because morning sunlight is essential for the mitochondria to function properly. Now, again, I’m making an example of what I would recommend for someone who wants to have bad mitochondria.
Of course the opposite would be true in the other direction, which I think you’re understanding, it would be to avoid this light at night. So our brain can know, “time to go to sleep” when the sun’s gone and we can regenerate and heal and repair the way our mitochondria are designed to. With the key thing being melatonin.
Melatonin is the hormone that repairs the mitochondria. Which is why it’s the most important antioxidant, anti-aging, anti-cancer molecule in the whole body. And then the key on the other side of not having artificial light after sunset will be to get ample light. Especially in the morning and throughout the day.
And that’s a really healthy way to reset the circadian rhythm. Optimize our body’s energy production systems, the mitochondria. And optimize our energy and vitality in the day. And then optimize our sleep and repair at night.
Landon: Yeah. Wow. That was a lot- that was really good.
Matt: It’s a lot. I know.
Landon: No, that was a lot, really good information. And I’ve got a lot of follow up questions for you on it, so-
Matt: Please let’s get into it.
How much sunlight you should get on a daily basis
Landon: Yeah. So, you know, I’m with you. I think that the sun is the main source of our existence, really. In terms of, you know, biologically how we are here. So, this is a very specific question to you but- just generally, you know people should be getting sunlight.How much sunlight do you get? How much sunlight do you recommend that people get? Because, you know, it can be different in different parts of the country, the world, just in terms of, you know, the types of rays that they’re getting and how often. But, if you were to make a general statement, you know- most of our listeners are in the United States, you know, what would you generally tell them to get on a daily basis kind of compared to what you do?
Matt: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s funny you say that and I appreciate you, you know, suggesting I try to generalize and I will. But it’s funny if you consider the United States. You have the Florida Keys and Miami, and you also have basically Siberia if you go to Northern Alaska. So, exactly. It’s a pretty diverse- it’s very, very hard to generalize even the continental United States. You have Maine and Miami. Yes, it’s amazing that we can have such diverse climates just in this one country. But as far as, like, what I get for sun… so this is an ever-evolving experiment of mine. Sometimes I get too much sun and I burn because I’m sort of trying to, you know, push the limits a little bit.
Landon: Right.
Matt: First and foremost, I’ll just claim to people: burning is not good. Burning is sort of saying you’ve gone beyond your limit. Like, it’s that you’ve gone beyond it. So I recommend people avoid burning basically at all costs. Even if it means getting a little bit too little sun. Just in general as a safety recommendation. Because burning is where you can start to run the risk of- like, people talk about skin cancer and this and that… now, I wouldn’t go that far necessarily. Skin cancer is very complex. As is all cancer. And it goes all very far beyond just sunlight exposure.
Landon: Right.
Matt: Although it can be a trigger. But, typically, there’s factors involved. Like, you know, Glyphosate in the food supply and all sorts of other toxins and constant circadian disruption that leads to cancer. So like this whole idea- I was gonna call it a myth, but this whole idea of light – sunlight – causing skin cancer is not fully founded by the evidence. And all the leading researchers in the world on light agree on this. You know, I’m sort of like a messenger I would say. But there are these people who have spent their entire lives studying these things and they are sort of in agreement. Anyway, that’s a different point. We could also touch on that a little bit more, but that’s the gist of that one. We’re not gonna have time to go super too deep on the whole UV and skin cancer thing.
But anyway, what I will say about sun- and we will touch on that- just so people have an idea is: you so you wanna get a healthy dose below burning. What I do is probably- so every morning I get morning sunlight. So I look at the sun when it’s rising for between five and 15 minutes, and just let it kind of hit my face. And then even if I’m not looking at it directly, because out the window of my place I have a really good sunrise view. And on my Instagram, my Instagram is @thelightdiet. And people can look that up and just see there’s pictures of me looking at the sunrise and stuff. A lot. I watch the sunrise in the morning. And then in the middle of the day, I’ll try to do, like, between 15 and 30 minutes of midday sun bathing. And then in the evening I’ll watch the sunset.
So that is like the basic “light diet” protocol that I recommend to people. It’s just morning sun for, again, 5-15 minutes as early as you can around sunrise. Midday sun bathing- actually this is where it varies the most depending on where you are in your tan. Because morning sun isn’t gonna burn you no matter where you are on earth. The early morning. Just because it’s filtered through a lot more atmosphere. That’s why it’s a lot more- they call it golden hour, sunrise and sunset, for photography because it’s filtered through more atmosphere. So more of the blue violet and ultraviolet is filtered out and therefore it’s less likely to burn, et cetera. In fact, it’s just doesn’t burn, for the fir- depending on where you are. If you’re close to the equator, the tropics, or it’s summer where you are, which means that because of the Earth’s tilt, the sun is gonna reach a higher angle in the sky at that time of year, which makes it summer versus winter when it reaches a lower angle in the sky, because of the Earth’s tilt in the other direction.
Basically, the sun’s gonna climb faster. It’s gonna climb up. So if you’re somewhere where it’s really wintery you’ll notice the sun kind of goes along the horizon throughout the day. And maybe it goes up, but it’s going more horizontal than it is vertical. Whereas if you’re either on the equator, in the tropics, or somewhere where it’s summer- typically, the sun the further you go from the equator, it’s still gonna rise horizontally and kind of cross the sky rather than just go up and over top. But it’s gonna rise a lot faster. And so the point is: the higher the sun goes in the sky, off the horizon- the angle of inclination they call it- the more ultraviolet there is coming through, the faster you can get burned. Because there’s less atmosphere filtering it out. So it’s just, it’s really simple. Like, if you think of a swimming pool and you had to swim across the swimming pool, you’d have to go against a lot more water than if you swim straight to the bottom. If it was, like, say a 20 meter long pool by like 5 meters deep, you know, you’re gonna get through it a lot faster if you go straight down.
And it’s the same thing if the sun’s coming at us across the atmosphere at a distance, it’s going through a lot more atmosphere. Whereas if it’s at the highest point in the sky, they call it the zenith, it’s going through the least amount possible. That’s why it is correct and accurate if people say, “If you can’t see your shadow,” which means the sun’s almost directly overhead or more overhead or, “If your shadow’s shorter, there’s more UV. There’s more ultraviolet.” That’s generally true. Unless, of course, it’s a cloudy day. Then all bets are off. Because if it’s cloudy, the UV could still be super high, but you wouldn’t really know. So you do have to kind of be careful on cloudy days.
But anyway, the reason I’m saying all of that is for people to understand midday sunbathing. In general, I recommend in summer- whatever that means, because in the tropics and the equatorial regions it’s basically always summer by these terms in summer. By the Northern and Southern hemisphere terms, like, anywhere north of the tropics- like basically Florida and above, where there is a definitive winter and summer… But say it’s summer, you’d probably wanna spend between 5 and 30 minutes, and even up to an hour, sunbathing in the middle of the day.
But it’s going to depend on your skin type and your tan. So you can have super dark skin, but not be super tan. Or you can have super dark skin and be super tan. You could have really light skin and not be tan, or have really light skin and be very tan. So there’s like all these different types of skin. And then within each type of skin, there’s different, you know, either super pale or super tan within that skin type. And so those are all variables. But in general, even the lightest skinned person with darker skin is gonna have somewhat more resistance than the lightest skin person with lighter skin. Just because they have more melanin, you could just see it. Like, again, someone who has, like, European descent who has tan skin is gonna have a certain level of, you know, shade to their skin tone. Someone who is of South American descent may have a darker Native American skin tone. That’s basically their starting point. Like, when their “pale” is maybe as dark as the European person when they’re tan. You see what I’m saying?
So you can kind of use skin tone, just looking at your own as a gradation of like where you are. And the key thing is just go out, typically- make it super simple- 2-5 minutes. I would recommend people start on each side of their body between 2-5 minute. Even 2-3. And just build up 2-3 minutes per day.
And you’ll quickly know if you can just get a lot more or if you’re like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa. My skin’s getting kind of pink. I need to back down.” Just because your skin gets pink, too, people doesn’t mean that you’re burnt. It just means there’s blood flow occurring at the surface, which is because the blood wants the sun. So it comes to the surface so that the water and the blood can absorb the light. This is why we get pink when we go in the sun. Now, if you stay super pink and you- if you stay super pink, it means you’re- the blood’s staying at the surface to dissipate excess heat.
Again, people will, like, tap someone’s skin. If I look burnt, someone pushes on my skin and they’re like, “Oh, you’re burnt,” you know, “I can see when you push down it turns white and then it gets red again.” No, that’s just because there’s blood at the surface. When you’re really burnt is when you have, like, pain or it’s crispy. You wanna avoid that. So if you start getting pink, that’s kind of like your indicator. “Okay. Probably enough sun.” If you wanna get a little more, great. But don’t push it. Yeah, and that’s kind of my explanation. One other thing I’ll add is, again, it’s really all about feeling your way and feeling what’s right.
Landon: Yeah.
Matt: But again, not burning. Like, one day per week, typically- I’ve started getting this rhythm, especially cause I’m working a ton of my business- one day per week I will just “sun day”, like, the whole day. I mean, not really the whole day, but like two or three hours I’ll just kind of go out and really get a good cook. And I typically will, you know, not burn because I’ve developed a pretty good ability to absorb light. But I hope that answers your question. That’s like all the things I’d recommend about, you know, for a basic explanation for people who wanna start sunbathing.
Landon: Yeah. No, that’s, that was really helpful. And I think it’s good to talk about, you know, that we’re not all, you know, the same person, right? We’re all very unique and, you know, we’re all designed very differently. And so it’s hard to answer a really general question when we have so much uniqueness to us. So yeah…
Matt: You know, one thing I’ll add that could really help though. That there’s an app called Deminder, like a reminder but just with a D. Deminder. And it’s on iPhone app and I think they have an Android app too. And you basically go in, you put in your location. You put in your skin tone and then it will tell you, based on your location, the UV index. And you can even say, I’m gonna have a sun exposure. You say how much of your skin is exposed, how overcast or not overcast, you know blue sky, it is that day. And then it will tell you, based on how much skin you have exposed, how much clouds there are in the sky -or none- and then how much time you’re in the sun. You press “start exposure” with all the settings set, then you press “stop exposure” when you’re done. And it will start to actually estimate for you how your body’s vitamin D level is. And, and it’s really, really useful just to kind of start to get an idea for like, okay, the UV is this and I got this much sun. I personally don’t use it. Cause I’m just going very intuitively.
Landon: Right.
Matt: But people could use that just to get a sense of how strong the sun is where they are. Or they could just Google “UV index” and just, you know, just be relative in your dose. But if someone has been doing this for a long time, I encourage people: like, go for it but just don’t burn yourself.
Landon: Right. Exactly. No, that’s really good. You know, kind of those little, you know, tips and tricks that our listeners can just take away, “Oh, I can download an app and if I’m new to this and check it out. And it can kind of help me as I learn how my body reacts to the exposure of the sun.” So that’s awesome. Appreciate that a lot.
Matt: Yeah, of course.
Red Light Therapy
Landon: I wanna switch gears a little bit and- well not really. I mean it’s kind of in the same genre, but I wanna talk a little bit about red light therapy. I know you’re a proponent of it. I was just looking on your Instagram. I see you’re using red light therapy. I do too. I have a product called Joovv, I think is what it is, and I’ll stand in front of it.Matt: Nice.
Landon: And, you know, I’ll especially use it cuz I do a lot of jujitsu. So, like, if I’m hurt, I’ll try to focus on that area. And I don’t even know if that works, but for me it does, like, I don’t know scientifically why it works, but I think you do.
So tell me, you know, a little bit about red light therapy and I think it probably has to do with our mitochondria, but I’m not quite sure. And I’d love to hear your explanation.
Matt: Yeah. Actually you’re on point. Absolutely. So it does have to do with the mitochondria largely. Basically, there are like – it’s amazing – there are, like, volumes on red light therapy. I mean, people have written whole books about it that people can go out and Google search and read. There are so many papers about red light therapy, like hundreds, if not, maybe at this point, thousands of peer-reviewed, you know, controlled trials with people using red light therapy.
And they’re, they’re seeing really amazing results in basically everything they look for. And to me, this speaks to the overall amazingness of the sun. Because basically the only reason red light therapy works for a living organism goes back to the painting analogy I gave earlier, that we’re like a painting that’s constantly being painted by the sun. We’re, like, dynamic.
So the reason red light therapy works is because it’s one of the colors from the sun, or “wavelengths” is the scientific term for color that our body utilizes. Or really another way to put it, basically just to go back to that so people can really have the full context here: the sun provides a certain scope of energy that reaches the earth in huge quantities. The sun itself emits almost the entire electromagnetic spectrum, which is all the light in the universe from like x-rays, gamma rays, all these super high-frequency wavelengths that are actually toxic to the body cuz we didn’t evolve with them, all the way down to like radio waves and things that we use for communication now on earth.
But that didn’t exist on earth before we started trading them as humans because they’re all sort of filtered out by the atmosphere. So. Um, that’s this thing called the electromagnetic spectrum. It’s, like, all the light energy. Even the stuff we don’t see. What we see is just 1/70th of the electromagnetic spectrum. And that’s what we call visible light, or just light. And so that’s what reaches the earth in huge proportion. So it’s pretty amazing, but again, our planet’s perfect for us. Or a better way of saying it is we evolved perfectly for the planet.
So that energy that’s reaching the earth from the sun in these abundant quantities, the small sliver there that’s not filtered out. It’s like one octave. If you think in musical octaves, it’s like one octave out of like 70 octaves, right? One octave that reaches earth is the colors of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet. And before red there’s infrared, which we can’t see. And after violet there’s ultraviolet, which we also can’t see. But there’s lots of them reaching earth. And so if we think of life as an energy, an energetic system – which it is – what the energy of the sun basically allowed us- the energy of the sun basically allowed life to become complex. Because the inner wavelengths of light from the sun are sort of like, if you think of a- this is a great way to put it actually: like a pianist playing a piano, right? Every finger that the pianist has can play different keys and so on. And the wavelengths of light from the sun are like the pianist playing the different keys of different available molecules in the environment that resonate with those wavelengths from the sun. This might sound kind of scientific, but maybe just a simple/better way to put it is that light from the sun literally shaped the creation of life. We evolved based on what was available from the sun. It wasn’t like we evolved separately from the sun.
The sun provided all these wavelengths of energy. All these colors and different molecules on earth that have a resonance with those colors. We’re basically able to organize with that energy in certain ways. And so, as a result of this is why I’m giving this background so people can really understand it as a result of this process. We have, you know, basically every single wavelength or the majority, a huge amount of the wavelengths of light from the sun actually have effects on our body. Not just as some sort of random, weird coincidence. But actually because those are the same wavelengths that led to those processes existing in the first place.
Does that make sense?
Landon: Yeah. No, it does.
Matt: So I’m hoping I’m explaining this. I’m doing my best here. Well, so basically, one of those colors or wavelengths from the sun is red. And so it happens that red was really important in the process of mitochondrial energy production and creating this system. It was utilized heavily in this process, in the development and evolution of this process. And the specific molecules, or particles that resonate with red light from the sun in our body, one’s called “cytochrome c oxidase”. And this is a really important protein that basically is essential in the process of energy production in the mitochondria.
And we can just leave it at that, but so cytochrome c oxidase absorbs red light. And when it absorbs this red light, it actually improves its ability to carry out all of its processes. This is what I was getting at earlier about the light of the sun and the different wavelengths doing so much more for the body than just what food alone. Because food gives us energy, but it’s only giving us a specific type of energy, you know, that we can utilize to basically make ATP in our cells. It’s not giving us all of the different energies of the wavelengths of light, which again, you could think of like different buckets that need to be filled up to function at the highest level. We need our bucket of red light filled up, and our bucket of blue light, and our bucket of ultraviolet, and et cetera. And so when you go and get red light therapy, basically what you’re just doing is you’re putting yourself back in resonance with certain wavelengths of light that we evolved with from the sun that optimize a process that was designed based on the availability of that light.
So the reason I’m getting into all this detail is just for people to understand. Cause I really want people to understand that it isn’t like we just happen to have found this thing called red light therapy. That’s an added benefit to life. Like, no, this is how we’re supposed to work.
Landon: Right.
Matt: We’re supposed to have quick cellular repair and regeneration. We’re supposed to have really good energy production. We’re supposed to have clean skin because we’re out in the sun in nature. But now that we’ve disconnected from that, we’re re-supplementing a portion of that light, which is a very important portion. And that’s why my company, RA Optics, is actively developing red light therapy devices actually for use. So I’m a huge fan of red light therapy.
Landon: Okay.
Matt: Yeah, absolutely.
Landon: Cool. Amazing.
Matt: Yeah. So something similar comparable to, I would say a Joovv panel and some of the other, you know, businesses out there. We’ve created a really, really high level product that we’re gonna be launching probably in the next couple of months. But that’s even beside the point, you know? It’s like, I really appreciate your interest in getting to the core of this. But at the same time, you know, in a way that people can easily understand. And I think we’re doing just that. That’s why red light therapy is so, so useful. Like it is. It is great. But at the same time, I would say, really really important for people to realize, based on what I’m saying, the key thing to do is to go actually and get back out in natural sunlight. Because even though you could do red light therapy, and it will have those benefits that you’re saying. They are scientifically proven. There’s, like I said, cleaner skin, faster healing of wounds, or just general recovery. You know, improved mitochondrial energy production, which as we discussed earlier on, makes every system in the body work better. You know, I didn’t use this phrase, but there’s this great saying that “a rising tide lifts all ships.”
Landon: Yep.
Matt: And so if you have good mitochondria. And you’re, you’re doing something like red light therapy or sun bathing or blocking artificial blue light at night – which is what the glasses that we make do, you know. When you’re doing anything like this, it’s improving mitochondria function overall throughout the whole body. And then that rising tide lifts all the ships, all the systems in the body can improve generally speaking, you know?
Landon: Yeah. No, absolutely. That’s awesome. And it’s a very, I guess, detailed way. And it’s funny, it’s like, it’s detailed to me. But to you, you’re probably making it, you know, as simple for me to understand, but you know, what that tells me is that you are passionate about this. You are a subject matter expert on this whole thing, and that’s probably why you developed your company RA Optics. Right?
So, you know, tell us a little bit more about what you guys do. You just, you kind of generally went over. You know that you guys provide lenses, but I’m looking on your website right now. You guys do a lot. So tell me about, you know, RA Optics and what it is that you want to provide.
Ra Optics
Matt: Yeah, well, so basically I started RA Optics because actually I was graduating high school. And so, you know, I’m 22 years old right now. So, you know, people often are like, “What? How are you so young and intelligent?” And I’m like, “Well, you know, there were these Greek philosophers who were writing masterpieces by the time they were like 17,” you know? Like so, humans are really intelligent beings and we can become really intelligent. And I believe that the education system is the number one thing that often stifles people from this.Now I was blessed with some really inspired teachers and some really great opportunities, but in general, I see the education system sort of like a, you know, feedlot for cattle. That they’re basically just bringing people through for slaughter. Like to throw ’em on the corporate, you know, chain for the rest of their lives. And it’s diminishing human intelligence, in my opinion. And this is why things like Waldorf schools and things where they get kids out in the sun and learn in their own ways. I think it’s super awesome and important.
But, so anyway, I started the business because, well, I wanted to have an income source so I could do my own thing. And I had spent the last four years researching health and learning about all this stuff and had learned how important light was. And I just said, well, after thinking about many different ideas, it just became clear that the lowest hanging fruit, the simplest thing to have the biggest impact for people’s health was blue light blocking glasses – based on what I was learning. Because they can easily and efficiently block all the light from the different light sources that can disrupt our bodies’ circadian rhythm and sleep.
And that’s why we created what previously I called night lenses. We now call them sleep lenses. So, RA OpticsSleep Lenses. They block all this blue light that can disrupt our sleep at night. And what this does for us is it allows us to calm down more naturally in the evening to biologically produce more melatonin. But which allows us again to relax, to sleep more deeply, and have more restful and regenerative and repairing sleep. And then to wake up with more energy.
And so today people are either accepting that they have no energy and that their sleep’s bad and they can’t relax in the evening, or they’re using partial solutions. Which would be, for example: it’s common that people- everyone needs- not everyone but many people need to have a drink of alcohol to relax in the evening.
That’s largely to do with constant circadian disruption. You know, it’s one thing for enjoyment for a party. Now it’s like, two glasses of wine a night otherwise I’m not even gonna be able to chill out. Like that’s the thing for a lot of people. People need to take Valium, Ambien, et cetera, to actually put the lights out, you know. And then they need to drink five cups of coffee in the morning when they wake up just to stay awake.
And that’s something that simply can be replaced by either no light at night or red light at night. Which is something we’re also developing in addition to the red panels for therapeutic use, just lighting. But basically, people can, you know, do that or candlelight. Or, you know, a simple thing to do – and I recommend people do all these things. Use candles in your house at night, replace your bulbs with even just warmer incandescent bulbs instead of LEDs. Or even red bulbs you can buy on Amazon for the time being. Again, we’re gonna develop something far superior.
Landon: Cool.
Matt: But basically, that’s something people can do. And then the screen lenses that you can see on the website are basically the solution for daytime. If you have to sit indoors all day and be exposed to, you know, bright light from screens, et cetera, et cetera. These block out the blue light which, even during the day from these light sources can be excessive and damaging to the eyes causing eye strain, headaches, fatigue, and exhaustion.
So that’s really what RA Optics is selling. But really what we’re all about is, and you can see it, like, it’s all about elevating humanity. It’s just, how can we bring humanity up? Because that’s the mission that, you know, I wanted to go on myself. And the answer is, like, in order to elevate humanity we have to each elevate ourselves. And this is one way that people can do a really good job of elevating themselves.
Another way is by drinking clean juice, you know, and getting healthier by eating better food. You know, that’s another thing people can do. So there’s many facets and this is sort of the one that I hope to contribute to the world.
Landon: Well, that’s awesome. I mean, you know, it’s very clear that you’re super passionate about this, that, you know, this is something that you are very into and have learned a lot about. You’re very intelligent and have a deep understanding of this stuff. And I love that, you know, I think it’s sometimes good to be a Jack of all trades. Sometimes it’s really good to, you know, really hone in on one thing and kind of help the world in that way. And so, you know, we’re doing it with organic food and you’re doing it, you know, with all the cool things that you’re doing. So I just think that’s fantastic.
Matt: Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Landon: I’m looking on your website right now. And, you know, you’ve got some different lenses for screen time, right? If we’re, if we’re stuck in front of a computer, like you said, and then sleeping. I think that’s really cool. Listeners check out his website. It’s RA OPTICS. I’ll spell it for you. It’s R-A there’s no “w” so it’s just R-A-O-P-T-I-C-S, raoptics.com. Lot of really cool stuff on here. I’m definitely gonna be getting a pair of these. I think I’m gonna try the sleep lenses. Cuz it’s funny, I do look at my phone sometimes before I go to bed. But I think there’s some setting where you can turn it red, but it’s probably not as good as what you’ve got going on here with your sleep lenses.
So I’m gonna check that out.
Matt: Yeah, absolutely. That would be great. And there are some settings, actually, you can Google search, like how to make your iPhone red. There are some good videos about it. But that actually is good for phones. The key thing where our lenses come in the most handy is all the lighting in houses, and public, and friends houses that aren’t circadian-friendly yet.
Landon: Right
Matt: Now that’s a problem that I have a very strong feeling that I may be gonna be able to solve, or at least do a really good number on in the next, you know, decade or even sooner. But for now, that’s why the glasses are a really simple thing people can do. Cuz all the lighting in the world isn’t changing overnight and it’s not even gonna happen and really maybe right away.
But that’s the direction we’re gonna go. As long as I think people are open to, you know, becoming better. And I think we are as a species. Even though it sometimes doesn’t appear that way. So yeah.
Landon: Yeah. No, absolutely. Matt, I really appreciate it. This has been really super informative episode. Go follow Matt at – it’s just @thelightdiet. I’m actually checking out his Instagram right now. It’s funny, when you were talking I didn’t picture you as a blonde, long-haired dude, but now I do. Cause that’s exactly what you are.
Matt: That’s funny. That’s the sun worshiper side coming out for sure.
Landon: That’s awesome. And then, you know, we plugged your website. I definitely want my listeners to check that out. But anything else, anywhere else that they can find you, learn more about what you do?
Matt: I would just say, yeah, go to raoptics.com. That’s R-A-optics after the Egyptian God of sunlight Ra. So raoptics.com, @thelightdiet Instagram. And that’s basically it. Subscribe to our email newsletter so we can send you really cool stuff and updates and so on and so forth. But that’s it. And just check it out.
Landon: Awesome. Cool, Matt. Well, thank you so much. It’s been a great episode. Check out his website, check him out on Instagram, and better light and better sleep equals a better life. So thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Matt: Thank you so much as well. I really appreciate it.
Landon: Awesome. Nice job. That was really good. Super informative. We’ve never gone in depth on this type of stuff. So I think our listeners are gonna super dig this.
Matt: Oh, dude, I’m so stoked. I really, really appreciate it. And yet you’re a great interview host. You know, I was just listening to Impact Theory yesterday for the first time.
Landon: Yeah.
Matt: Tom Bilyeu, you’re probably familiar with that. You actually have a very similar, I would say, maybe even voice to him. But also just like a super- maybe not the voice, but something about your interviewing skills and, and that’s a huge compliment cuz he’s very talented of an interviewer, I would say.
Landon: Thank you.
Matt: So, and you’re able to bring a really good positive vibe and you know- like, not interrupting the guest, even if, if, if I’m going on a tangent. I mean, it’s good. It’s good to just, I think kind of just go with it. As the host. So I think you do a really great job.
Landon: Thank you. I mean, that’s, it’s funny, like when I’m doing these, that’s exactly what I try to do is I try not to interrupt. I hate listening to podcasts and stuff where the host is always interrupting and interjecting. You know, it’s just like, “Hey, I brought you on, on my show. I wanna hear what you have to say. And so if you talk for 20 minutes about something, I wanna hear it all.” You know. And so it’s funny, I think, like, I think that’s probably the number one thing that separates Joe Rogan from everyone else is that he just listens, you know? And I think that, I think that’s the skillset that we’ve lost. So I really focus on that. So I appreciate you. I appreciate you telling me that.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you do a great job. I’m actually checking out your website now as well. And I see Tim Tebow on your front page. Dude, that’s awesome. I love it.
Landon: Yeah.
Matt: I’ll have to come to one of your locations sooner than later. Now, I didn’t look this up. Are you guys in Cali at all?
Landon: We are. So if you head up to Yorba Linda- so it’s a little bit of a drive for you, but if you’re ever up in the OC area. We actually have a UFC fighter named TJ Dillashaw, he’s our franchise owner there. He owns that store and then he is developing some more in the area. So, yeah, check out his clean juice in Yorba Linda
Matt: Dude. Amen. That sounds awesome. I will absolutely go check out the Cali location. Yorba Linda, that’s actually where my mother grew up as, as a young girl. So that’ll be super cool. Go back to my mother’s Homeland. So yeah. Cool. Well, awesome man. Thanks again for what you’re doing. I really love it. And, you know, if you guys are ever out in San Diego, don’t hesitate to gimme a shout. And, you know, I just always stoked to connect and also if you guys have, like, I’d love to get you a pair of glasses, just like, as a gift even for you and your partner or, or wife.
Landon: Awesome.
Matt: So that would be my pleasure. I don’t know if you guys do like affiliate stuff with your podcast. If not great, if you do great. I mean, either way, like, but we can set up like a- I didn’t wanna like, try to interrupt the interview to ask you the question. Yeah, we could set up Clean Juice as like a 15% discount and give you guys 15% commission. So there’s just, you know, I’ll send a follow up email to Katheryn, but
Landon: That’d be awesome.
Matt: Basically. That’s stuff we could do. And then yeah, if you guys have any friends too, or like people in the health world- cause I’m really looking to get this message out and grow the business and grow the brand. So if there’s anyone, you know, who are like, you’re like, oh, this person would really be into this who hasn’t done a podcast about this subject yet, or whatever, or you just think we’d wanna try the glasses. Like totally down to hook people up and-
Landon: Awesome.
Matt: And just. Spread the word. So…
Landon: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Yeah, definitely follow up with Katheryn. She’ll be on the lookout for that email. She’s she’s listening. And so she’s getting all this, so appreciate that. And then, I mean, dude- I think you should [00:55:00] probably, if you haven’t done, you should probably start your own podcast cuz you have a lot to talk about.
Matt: Yeah, I actually should. I absolutely should. I have, I actually- so I have The Light Diet podcast. I have my own. But I haven’t- yeah, but I haven’t done many interviews. Just because I haven’t quite figured out the format that I really want to take. Like whether I wanna do solo episodes going deeper into this or interview a ton of guests.
Landon: Yeah.
Matt: Although I think really the guests is kind of the way to go. Cuz then I get to take on the experts in this field. It’s just there’s not that many,
Landon: Right.
Matt: That’s kind of the issue. But I could just go general and go,
Landon: You know? You could do both. I mean, that’s what we do.
Matt: I could do both. Oh, you guys do solo?
Landon: We do some solo, mostly guests.
Matt: Yeah, that sounds like a pretty good mix. For now, going on other people’s podcasts for me is a really great gig. But I appreciate your feedback. I’m definitely gonna get my show going. The other thing is like just running my business. I’m, like, doing a lot as myself with not as much help as I’m looking to bring on. It’s a process as well. But anyway, man, yeah, thank you for the advice. I really appreciate it.
Landon: Yeah, dude. And it’s funny, we have a lot of guests on. I go on some podcasts, but they’re more like business podcasts and things like that. But you know, you’re probably more focused on like health and wellness. So like, you know, we know a lot of folks-
Matt: I’ll go on business podcasts, for sure. I think I can definitely tailor the message to tired and stressed entrepreneurs.
Landon: Yeah, I know. That’s a hundred percent. Yeah. That’s your demo right there so… Awesome, dude. Cool. Well, congrats on everything you’re doing.
Matt: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Congrats to you guys as well. It looks like you built an amazing brand.
Landon: Thank you so much.
Matt: You guys are like my inspiration. Like, I wanna make my website look way cooler like yours, you know?
Landon: Thank you. Well, if you ever have any questions about anything, dude, just let me know.
Matt: Dude, thanks a million. I appreciate it, Landon, take care.
Landon: Yeah. It’s my pleasure. Thanks, Matt.
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